Discussion about 09/11/2001

Saturday, October 08, 2005

11 Hurt in Texas Plastics Plant Explosion; "An Unreasonable Woman' Not Surprised

I stayed up late to watch Bill Maher's Real Time.

Blogger Thought: Interesting coverage of Bill Maher. As you might expect "Mustang Bobby" loses me when he talks about just doing good works. The guilty need to be exposed and prosecuted.

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Saturday, October 08, 2005
Not Happy
I stayed up late to watch Bill Maher's Real Time. The guests included Andrew Sullivan, Ben Affleck, Salman Rushdie, and via videolink, Ann Coulter.What surprised the heck out of me was the vehemence of distrust both Ms. Coulter and Mr. Sullivan had for President Bush based on the events of the last month. Andrew Sullivan said that he had lost all faith in the president, and Ms. Coulter was equally harsh, saying that "trust me" doesn't cut much ice with her any more.Granted, that's from two of the more outspoken and visible conservatives; neither of them are shy about getting in front of a camera or a keyboard. But, like people that call in to C-SPAN, I wonder if Ms. Coulter and Mr. Sullivan represent just the tip of the iceberg and that the rest of the right wing is feeling what they're expressing and in larger numbers than we can fathom. And it's not just the Miers pick; things have been snowballing since the beginning of the summer with Iraq getting worse, the investigation into the Plame case heating up, the indictment of Tom DeLay, the hurricanes...it's just getting to be too much even for the Kool-Aid Kids who think that when George Bush farts they're hearing the Oracle of Delphi.It's pretty easy for liberals and Democrats to grin and watch as the Republicans go through this time of trial for their party and their annointed leader; it's a combination of both smugness and payback for the low points in 1998 and 1999 when they struggled to make sense of the impeachment of Bill Clinton. That's a natural reaction, too -- the Republicans felt it when they thought Monica Lewinsky was their payback for Watergate and Iran-Contra. It vindicated their take-over of the House in 1994 and they would show the world just how government should be run.Well, fine. Everyone should allow themselves moment of self-satisfaction when their worst predictions of the other guy's excesses come true. But it would be a mistake if we allowed that to become the way we govern or think of the role of partisan politics.In the first place, the idea of impeaching George W. Bush is a non-starter. It won't happen, and even if it could -- if even the most conservative Republican and crony should throw in the towel and decide they've made a horrible mistake -- all we'd get is President Cheney, or at the most, President J. Dennis Hastert until the Democrats take over the House, which can't happen until January 3, 2007 at the earliest. Impeachment is a bald-face attempt at revenge for the Clinton impeachment, and that's not how we progressives should do things, anyway. Resorting to the tactics of our opponents is the political equivalent of inflicting torture on prisoners of war, and we're the ones who say we're above that.In the second place, we have too much to do to grind the government to a halt for the sake of exacting political revenge. This administration may have started a war on false pretenses, plunged our economy into tremendous debt, and exhibited the worst excesses of corporate corruption by buying up the votes of our representatives, but it's our mess, too, and the world isn't going to stop and wait while we squabble about whose fault it is. We already know that; now we have to clean it up, and the Democrats can prove that they have the right to win back the House, Senate, and White House by getting to work at every level to get the jobs done. We have schools to run, health care to fix, an infrastructure that is crumbling, hurricanes to clean up after, and a hundred other issues that are waiting for action. Most of them are not defined by political party; they are the needs of the people, and the sooner we get back to work the better things will be. And if the Democrats can prove themselves to to be the ones to do it, so much the better. The polls showing the president's approval ratings in the mid-thirties mean more than just disgust with his performance; it's a reflection on all of our leaders. I'm not happy with how things are going, either, but I also don't take pleasure in seeing the shit-storm falling on the Republicans. (Well....okay, I'm a little happy, but not over the moon.) I just want the work to get done. We will get our chance to express our disapproval in a practical way in 13 months, but between now and then, we have a country to run. I don't know about you, but I have always believed that the best work gets done when the people who are doing it don't care about who gets the credit.


FBI Claims 84 Videos Show NO Flight 77 Impact By Jon Carlson carlson.jon@att.net 10-8-5

Photos taken after the Pentagon crash do not support the Government conspiracy theory that Flight 77, a Boeing 757 airliner, demolished a major portion of the masonry structure: Seismic waveform data also brings into question what struck the Pentagon. Seismologists have detected other 9/11 aircraft even pinpointing exact crash times for the Boeing 737 airliners that crashed into the WTC Towers and the aircraft alleged to be Flight 93 that crashed in Pennsylvania. The seismologists observed: We analyzed seismic records from five stations in the northeastern United States, ranging from 63 to 350 km from the Pentagon. Despite detailed analysis of the data, we could not find a clear seismic signal. Even the closest station ( = 62.8 km) at Soldier's Delight, Baltimore County, Maryland (SDMD) did not record the impact. We concluded that the plane impact to the Pentagon generated relatively weak seismic signals. http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/nodate/seismicobservations.html The RENSE article, The 911 Pentagon Engine Story, http://www.rense.com/general67/911eng.htm explained that the JT8D engine identified in the debris in front of the Pentagon wall could have been from early Boeing 737-100 and 737-200 airliners or an assortment of other aircraft. Since witnesses decribed the incoming Pentagon aircraft having two engines under the wings the number of possible aircraft comes down to a handful. National Geographic reported that the FBI confiscated a video tape from a Citgo gas station within a half hour of the crash. Without asking the questions how did the FBI know of the tape and how did they grab it so quickly, many people think the aircraft model could be identified from that video since the aircraft flew directly over the Citgo station http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/12/1211_wirepentagon.html The RENSE article, Missing Pentagon Unobstructed Citgo Videos, http://www.rense.com/general63/unob.htm develops the Citgo station story with more outstanding photos. Even though America's Coverup Agencies, the FBI and the Pentagon, have fought tooth and nail to prevent disclosure of what really happened at the Pentagon on 9/11 photos, witnesses have already filled in the blanks. Get up to speed by reading The RENSE article, Sneak Preview - 911 Pentagon Tapes: http://www.rense.com/general64/911et.htm In that article American patriots are taking the DOJ and the FBI though the wringer in a Federal Court. A retired FBI agent told this writer that FBI lawyers are hacks. He claimed any good attorneys go to work for the other side! Bronco Bingham is the plaintiff in the main FOIA action to obtain the Pentagon videotapes. His crackerjack attorney, Scott Hodes, is running circles around the FBI lawyers. TIMELINE FOR BRONCO BINGHAM, SCOTT HODES FOIA REQUEST Courtesy of Bronco Bingham www.flight77.info October 14, 2004 FOIA REQUEST: all videotapes that showed the Pentagon crash impact in any office of the FBI. The request mentioned that the Citgo station and the Sheraton National Hotel had videos taken by the FBI on 9/11. November 3, 2004, FBI ANSWER: no Sheraton National Hotel videotapes November 17, 2004 APPEAL: Where is the Citgo video? FBI answer was inadequate search. Responder was inexperienced with indexing procedures. Request that searcher ask 9/11 investigators directly for location of videos. December 1, 2004 FBI letter acknowledged receipt of APPEAL letter. March 7, 2005 (4 months later) FBI letter in respnse to APPEAL: A tape was found but release would interfere with enforcement proceedings. THAT VIDEO is believed to be the video source of the famous Pentagon Parking Lot stills. Attorney Hodes noted in the FOIA request that stills from the Parking Lot video had already been released by CNN: http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/03/07/gen.pentagon.pictures/index.html However, the FBI claims those stills were 'leaked' by the Pentagon and NOT officially released. Therefore, the FBI doesn't considered them to exist! In the Sneak Preview - 911 Pentagon Tapes article, a helicopter was prominent in the 'leaked' stills. Its function was to remote control the aircraft at the construction entrance located at ground level to make it appear the plane actually penetrated the Pentagon: The renovated Pentagon section that was targeted had special steel, kevlar reinforced masonry walls and 'blastproof' windows. Jack Singleton explains how the aircraft got partially into the Pentagon: "Where the plane came in was really at the CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE," says Jack Singleton, president of Singleton Electric Co. Inc., Gaithersburg MD, the Wedge One electrical subcontractor. "The plane's left wing actually came in near the ground and the right wing was tilted up in the air. That right wing went directly over our trailer, so if that wing had not tilted up, it would have hit the trailer. My foreman, Mickey Bell, had just walked out of the trailer and was walking toward the construction entrance." http://web.archive.org/web/20040404074145/ http://www.designbuildmag.com/oct2001/pentagon1001.asp From witness accounts the aircraft piled up on the Pentagon masonry wall and after a short while was blown to bits that rained down for blocks. The Parking Lot stills show THAT explosion and the parts of the aircraft in the air along with the helicopter. THE FBI PARKING LOT VIDEO WOULD SHOW THE IMPACT, THE DELAY, THE EXPLOSION, AND WHAT TYPE OF AIRCRAFT. Here are three of the 'leaked' stills from that video:. March 8, 2005 COMPLAINT FOR DECLARATORY AND INJUNCTIVE RELIEF Inadequate search and release of records. Failure to timely respond. Requests injunctive relief that defendants immediately and fully comply with plaintiff's FOIA request. April 18, 2005 DOJ RESPONSE: Claims no records have been withheld. ADMITS Citgo tape was confiscated but it doesn't show Impact. Claims no Sheraton video. April 19, 2005 JUDGE'S ORDER It is hereby ORDERED that the defendants shall file a motion to dismiss or a motion for summary judgment before June 31, 2005. August 1, 2005 DOJ SEEKS SUMMARY JUDGMENT on basis of Videos withheld because of ongoing enforcement proceedings. August 29, 2005 OPPOSITION TO SUMMARY JUDGMENT: Requests FBI release parking lot video and make a better search. Claims video CAN'T be withheld under amendment 7 as its release will not affect the sentencing of Zacharias Moussaoui who has already pled guilty to six charges of conspiracy to commit the terorist attacks that included hijacking and crashing Flight 77 into the Pentagon on 9/11. September 9, 2005 DOJ Reply to Opposition to Summary Judgment: Similar to above DOJ reply. September 9, 2005 EXHIBIT FOUR from the count case was a DECLARATION of FBI agent Jacqueline Maquire on the discovery of 85 Pentagon tapes from 9/11. 1) Using associated written documentation BUT not viewing them, 56 videos didn't show the Pentagon building, crash site, or crash impact. 2) Viewed 29 tapes personally but sixteen videos didn't show the impact and crash site 3) The other 13 videos showed the Pentagon crash site. Twelve of these tapes showed the crash site after the impact. Agent Maquire found only a CD-ROM with the Parking Lot video copies. 4) Found one Citgo station video. A FBI video unit was asked to determine if it showed the impact but no impact was seen. 5) Found no Sheraton National Hotel video. Found a Doubletree Hotel video but no impact was seen. September 26, 2005 Second FOIA request: Seeks copies of 85 tapes in decribed in the Maquire Declaration. In a response to another FOIA request attorney Peter Gersten was told the Citgo station video and another video from a Virginia Department of Transportation camera were confiscated but are withheld for ongoing enforcement proceedings. Peter gets the LAST WORD: I am sure that you (FBI searcher) are aware that FOIA exemption (b)(7)(A) which applies to law enforcement records requires a showing that the production of such records or information could reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings. The two CCTV videos purportedly show what several witnesses have publicly stated they observed: Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon on 9-11-01. As I stated in the appeal of my initial request, the debate over what hit the Pentagon has thrived due to the apparent contradiction between the eyewitness and physical evidence. Whereas a large body of reports of eyewitness accounts strongly supports that a twin-engine jetliner (Flight 77) swooped in at a very low altitude and exploded at or in front of the Pentagon, photographs of the facade and lawn show an absence of aircraft debris or a pattern of damage consistent with such an aircraft. The resulting evidence vacuum has created the conditions for a protracted controversy about what hit the Pentagon. The lack of evidence of large aircraft debris in post-crash photographs of the Pentagon's exterior, combined with the refusal of officials to produce evidence supporting the official story, has led many skeptics to believe that the damage was caused by something other than a jetliner hitting the building. Further, there is neither video footage nor any photographic evidence in the public domain showing a jetliner approaching or crashing into the Pentagon. Not only has the government refused to release footage that would clearly show how the Pentagon was attacked, it has also seized footage not belonging to the military. The FBI reportedly confiscated video recordings from three locations shortly after the attack (Sheraton National Hotel, NEXCOMM/CITGO gas station, and the Virginia Department of Transportation). The FBI has, in its latest response admitted possessing at least two of these CCTV videos. These two recordings could provide decisive evidence about the crash and end the controversy. All the perpetrators who directly participated in the hijacking of the jetliners and the subsequent attacks are dead. Even assuming that the FBI is conducting an ongoing investigation, the release of the two CCTV videos would in no way jeopardize, compromise, or hinder that investigation since the videos merely show what everyone already is aware of ? Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon. http://www.pagenews.info/foipa/foipa_04112005_reply.php http://www.pagenews.info/foipa/foipa_03242005_reply.php The RENSE article, 9/11 Flight 93 Passenger 'Lost', http://www.rense.com/general67/911pass.htm presented the case for the New Orleans Levees being blown. A new discovery of a seismic heliogram at the time of the explosions (6-7a.m, August 29th.) shows mysterious wave motions. Around 7 p.m. the collection of data stopped. Wayne Madsen has reported that Ham radio operators said their FM signals were jammed as Katrina went through. The seimic station connects to the Network via the FM band also. http://www.ceri.memphis.edu/katrina/ http://www.ceri.memphis.edu/katrina/images/LTL_HHZ_LI.2005082900.gif Most important of all, 2008 Presidential candidate Karl Schwarz says it is time to take back America. See his message and the party partform: http://www.karlschwarz2008.com/home.htm DON'T MISS: 9/11 Flight 93 Passengers 'Lost' http://www.rense.com/general67/911pass.htm The 9/11 Pentagon Engine Story http://www.rense.com/general67/911eng.htm The 911 North Tower Demolition Explained http://www.rense.com/general67/9118.htm The Rest Of The 911 Flight 93 Story http://www.rense.com/general67/rest911.htm South Tower Exit Wounds Tell 9/11 Tale http://www.rense.com/general67/911uu.htm Dirty Little 9/11 Secrets Exposed http://www.rense.com/general66/dirt.htm Bush Responds To 911 Fireworks http://www.rense.com/general66/ressp.htm Hollywood-like Fake Smoke Made 9/11 http://www.rense.com/general65/911mir.htm WTC 7 Smoke & Mirrors On 9/11 http://www.rense.com/general65/911m.htm CBC 9/11 Video Secrets Revealed http://www.rense.com/general65/911b.htm 911 CNN Reports Boeing 737s Struck WTC http://www.rense.com/general65/911h.htm Sneak Preview - 911 Pentagon Tapes http://www.rense.com/general64/911et.htm The Rest Of The 9/11 Street Engine Story http://www.rense.com/general64/wth.htm NYC Photos, Flight 93 Witnesses Identify 9/11 White Jet http://www.rense.com/general64/white.htm On 9/11 An Ill Wind Blew to Booker School http://www.rense.com/general63/wte.htm WTC Jet Engine Confirmed NOT From Boeing 767 http://www.rense.com/general63/wtcc.htm Second 911 Remote Control Antenna Verified http://www.rense.com/general63/secnd.htm Avionics Expert-A 911 Remote Control Lesson for PM http://www.rense.com/general63/remo.htm WTC Cutter Charges Clearly Visible http://www.rense.com/general63/cutt.htm Real 911 Science For PM - The ST Airliner Photo http://www.rense.com/general63/st.htm PM Claims Landing Gear Made Pentagon 12 Foot Hole http://www.rense.com/general63/pmm.htm PM Missed NASA 911-type Airliner Crash 20 Years Ago http://www.rense.com/general63/pm.htm Is Popular Mechanics Hiding 911 NYC Engine In Street Photo? http://www.rense.com/general63/hiding.htm Missing Pentagon Jet Engine Identified? http://www.rense.com/general63/ident.htm Missing Pentagon Unobstructed Citgo Videos http://www.rense.com/general63/unob.htm

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