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1. Given that the holocaust is a lie, where then was Adolf wrong about Jewish international finance and interest slavery?
From: "Dick Eastman" <olfriend@nwinfo.net>
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3. A Day in the Life: 4/10/6
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4. RE: MEXICAN PROTESTERS, ETC. - CRAPOLA
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5. Re: "That's treason!" Affleck asserted: "You could be killed."
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6. RE: Jew Baiting
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11. Do Mexicans have Permits For Protests of 50K to 500,000 ? Americans W
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14. Russo's 'America from Freedom to Fascism'
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:06:36 -0700
From: "Dick Eastman" <olfriend@nwinfo.net>
Subject: Given that the holocaust is a lie, where then was Adolf wrong about Jewish international finance and interest slavery?
Like Adolf?
How bad can that be?
Dick Eastman
Given that the holocaust is a lie and that 9-11 was a Zionist false-flag crime, where then was Adolf wrong about Jewish international finance and interest slavery (Zinsknechtschaft )? We are living in the confirming realization of the Protocols of Zion. We are drowned in interest slavery and international finance. Our culture is deliberately destroyed by Judeo-pornographic culture. etc.
Several items follow:
FORGOTTEN IDEALS: NATIONAL-SOCIALISM BEFORE 1933
This latest offering from The Rising Press includes rare
contributions from those who stood at the very forefront of the
emerging National-Socialist philosophy. This is a forgotten age in
which the NSDAP poured scorn upon the constitutional road to
power. Includes Darre's Peasantry as the Key to Understanding the
Nordic Folk Culture, Feder's Manifesto for Breaking the Bondage of
Interest, Otto Strasser's Fourteen Theses of the German
Revolution, Gregor Strasser's Thoughts About the Tasks of the
Future, Alfred Rosenberg's German Freedom as the Prerequisite of
Folk Culture and Goebells' Radicalizing of Socialism. Essential
reading. (48 pages)
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http://www.ety.com/HRP/books/nsbks.htm
The PROGRAMME OF THE NSDAP Gottfried Feder. Pb 51pp. The actual
policy programme of the Nazi Party, first published in Munich in
1932. A detailed account of the political, social and economic aims
of the NSDAP. �1.50 (30p)
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http://www4.stormfront.org/posterity/ns/25pts.html
The Twenty-Five Points
Political Platform of the Original NSDAP
THE TWENTY-FIVE POINTS
by Gottfried Feder
The following material has been abstracted and translated from the
17th edition of Gottfried Feder's pamphlet, Das Programm der NSDAP
und seine weltanschaulichen Grundgedanken (Munich, 1930). The
Twenty-five Points, constituting the political platform of the
Party, have been given here in complete form, exactly as
originally published, except for their translation into English.
The remaining material from the 52-page pamphlet has been
considerably condensed, however.
The program of the NSDAP is presented here strictly for historical
reasons, and no inferences are to be drawn as to the present
policies of the World Union of National Socialists or any of its
affiliates. The Party program, as distinct from the philosophical
foundations of National Socialism, was intimately bound and
constrained by the immediate political, economic, and social
circumstances and conditions of Germany some four decades ago.
Nevertheless, it is interesting to see just what was the content
of the program which led to the Party's success in Germany, if
only to avoid some of the misconceptions which have been
deliberately spread by our opponents. Liberal elements have
labeled the program "reactionary." And conservative elements have
labeled it "socialist" (i.e. "Marxist"). The two most widely read
"authorities" on the subject, namely, W.L. Shirer and Alan
Bullock, have vehemently denounce the Twenty-five Points in their
books but have been careful to avoid actually setting forth those
Points so that their readers could judge for themselves.
Here they are.
PROGRAM OF THE NATIONAL SOCIALIST GERMAN WORKERS' PARTY
The National Socialist German Workers' Party - registered as the
"National Socialist German Workers' Union" - at a great mass
meeting on February 25, 1920, in the Hofbrauhaus-Festsaal in
Munich, announced its program to the world.
In Section 2 of the Constitution of our Party this program is
declared to be unalterable. It is as follows:
The program of the German Workers' Party is limited as to period.
The leaders have no intention, once the aims announced in it have
been achieved, of setting up fresh ones in order to ensure the
continued existence of the Party by the artificially inspired
discontent of the masses.
1. We demand the union of all Germans, on the basis of the right
of the self-determination of peoples, to form a Great Germany.
2. We demand equality of rights for the German people in its
dealings with other nation, and abolition of the Peace Treaties of
Versailles and St. Germain.
3. We demand land and territory (colonies) for the nourishment of
our people and for settling our surplus population.
4. None but members of the nation may be citizens of the State.
None but those of German blood, whatever their creed, may be
members of the nation. No Jew, therefore, may be a member of the
nation.
5. Anyone who is not a citizen of the State may live in Germany
only as a guest and must be regarded as being subject to the Alien
Laws.
6. The right of voting on the leadership and laws of the State is
to be enjoyed by the citizens of the State alone. We demand,
therefore, that all official positions, of whatever kind, whether
in the Reich, the provinces, or the small communities, shall be
held by citizens of the State alone. We oppose the corrupt
parliamentary custom of filling posts merely with a view to party
considerations, and without reference to character or ability.
7. We demand that the State shall make it its first duty to
promote the industry and livelihood of the citizens of the State.
If it is not possible to nourish the entire population of the
State, foreign national (non-citizens of the State) must be
excluded from the Reich.
8. All further non-German immigration must be prevented. We demand
that all non-Germans who entered Germany subsequently to August 2,
1914, shall be required forthwith to depart from the Reich.
9. All citizens of the State shall possess equal rights and
duties.
10. It must be the first duty of every citizen of the State to
perform mental or physical work. The activities of the individual
must not clash with the interests of the whole, but must proceed
within the framework of the community and must be for the general
good.
We Demand Therefore:
11. Abolition of incomes unearned by work. BREAKING OF THE
THRALDOM OF INTEREST.
12. In view of the enormous sacrifice of life and property
demanded of a nation by every war, personal enrichment through war
must be regarded as a crime against the nation. We demand,
therefore, the total confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have
(hitherto) been amalgamated (into trusts).
14. We demand that there shall be profit sharing in the great
industries.
15. We demand a generous development of provision for old age.
16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle
class, immediate communalization of the large department stores
and their lease at a low rate to small traders, and that the most
careful consideration shall be shown to all small traders in
purveying to the State, the provinces, or smaller communities.
17. We demand a land reform suitable to our national requirements,
the passing of a law for the confiscation without compensation of
land for communal purposes, the abolition of interest on land
mortgages, and prohibition of all speculation in land. [On April
13, 1928, Adolf Hitler made the following elucidation to the
program: "Because of the mendacious interpretations on the part of
our opponents of Point 17 of the program of the NSDAP, the
following explanation is necessary.: Since the NSDAP is
fundamentally based on the principle of private property, it is
obvious that the expression "confiscation without compensation"
refers merely to the creation of possible legal means of
confiscating when necessary, land illegally acquired, or not
administered in accordance with the national welfare. It is
therefore directed in the first instance against the Jewish
companies which speculate in land.]
18. We demand ruthless war upon all those whose activities are
injurious to the common interest. Sordid criminals against the
nation, usurers, profiteers, etc., must be punished with death,
whatever their creed or race.
19. We demand that the Roman law, which serves the materialistic
world order, shall be replaced by a German common law.
20. With the aim of opening to every capable and industrious
German the possibility of higher education and consequent
advancement to leading positions, the State must consider a
thorough reconstruction of our national system of education. The
curriculum of all educational establishments must be brought into
line with the requirements of practical life. Directly the mind
begins to develop the schools must aim at teaching the pupil to
understand the idea of the State (State sociology). We demand the
education of specially gifted children of poor parents, whatever
their class or occupation, at the expense of the State.
21. The State must apply itself to raising the standard of health
in the nation by protecting mothers and infants, prohibiting child
labor, and increasing bodily efficiency by legally obligatory
gymnastics and sports, and by extensive support of clubs engaged
in the physical training of the young.
22. We demand the abolition of mercenary troops and the formation
of a national army.
23. We demand legal warfare against conscious political lies and
their dissemination in the press. In order to facilitate the
creation of a German national press we demand that: (a) all
editors, and their co-workers, of newspapers employing the German
language must be members of the nation; (b) special permission
from the State shall be necessary before non-German newspapers may
appear (these need not necessarily be printed in the German
language); ( c ) non-Germans shall be prohibited by law from
participating financially in or influencing German newspapers, and
the penalty for contravention of the shall be suppression of any
such newspaper, and immediate deportation of the non-German
involved It must be forbidden to publish newspapers which are
damaging to the national welfare. We demand the legal prosecution
of all tendencies in art and literature which exert a destructive
influence on our national life and the closing of institutions
which militate against the above-mentioned requirements.
24. We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the
State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate
against the moral and ethical feelings of the German race. The
Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not
bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession.
It combats the Jewish-materialist spirit within and without us,
and is convinced that our nation can achieve permanent recovery
from within only on the principle: THE COMMON INTEREST BEFORE
SELF-INTEREST
25. That all the foregoing requirements may be realized we demand
the creation of a strong, central national authority;
unconditional authority of the central legislative body over the
entire Reich and its organizations in general; and the formation
of diets and vocational chambers for the purpose of executing the
general laws promulgated by the Reich in the various States of the
Confederation. The leaders of the Party swear to proceed
regardless of consequences - if necessary at the sacrifice of
their lives - toward the fulfillment of the foregoing Points.
Munich, February 24, 1920.
After full discussion at the general meeting of members on May 22,
1920, it was resolved that "This program is unalterable." This
does not imply that every word must stand unchanged, nor that any
efforts to extend or develop the program are to be prohibited, but
it does imply that the principles and basic ideas contained in it
are not to be tampered with.
There can be no twisting and turning for reasons of expediency, no
secret meddling with the most important - and for the present
order of politics, society, and economics, most unwelcome - points
in the program; no deviation from its original sense.
Adolf Hitler has emphasized the two cornerstones of the program by
printing them in heavy type:
THE COMMON INTEREST BEFORE SELF-INTEREST - THAT IS THE SPIRIT OF
THE PROGRAM. BREAKING OF THE THRALDOM OF INTEREST - THAT IS THE
KERNEL OF NATIONAL SOCIALISM.
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Zinsknechtschaft (interest slavery)
The following translation of Gottfried Feder's explanation of interest slavery is from Louis L. Snyder, Encyclopedia of the Third Reich (New York: Marlowe & Co., 1976) p. 387. Professor Snyder obtained this quotation from, Gottfried Feder, Hitler's Official Program and It's Fundamental Ideas, (London: George Allen & Unwin Ltd., 1934)
"Breaking interest slavery is our cry on the field of battle. I know this principle has not been rightly understood in its unheard of and fundamental importance, even in our own ranks. One sees, for example, how seldom our speakers dare to come to this root problem. Indeed most of them feel it to be a fundamental question; in the treasury of words of our comrades is the motto: "Fight against exchange and loan capitalism.' But just what 'breaking of interest slavery' means and how it works in practical life of the individual and the nation, what technically financial occurences make the nation 'slaves of interest,' or what practical steps are necessary to carry out the breaking of interest-slavery, and what the results will be for the entire population when this interest slavery is broken -- these are all vague.
"What does one understand by 'interest slavery'? The condition of people who live under the money rule or the interst rule of the almighty ...high finance.
"In interest-slavery is the farmer, who, in order to finance his farm, must take 'credit,' at so high a rate of interest, that the interest almost eats up the profits of his work, or who has made or must make debts and must drag the mortgage debts with him as an eternal ball of lead.
"In interest-slavery is the workingman, who labors in the factories and workshops for insufficient wages, while the stockholder collects interest and dividends -- without worry or work.
"In interest slavery is the entire bourgeoisie, which to-day must work practically speaking to pay for the interest on bank loans.
In interest slavery are all who must earn their bread through bodily or mental work, while standing opposite to them a class -- without care and without work -- obtains huge incomes through financial transactions. --We do not speak of small independent men or the men with savings-accounts, even though they collect small profits through a fundamentally unsound system but throughout their lives a hundred times the amount of their small savings are taken away from them in some manner through taxes, pensions, etc., so that in old age they may be given a part of what has been taken away from them before.
"In interest-slavery is the industrialist, who has built up his business through the hardest of work, then, according to the principle of keeping up with the times, has changed his business into a corporation; he is now no longer his own boss, but he must satisfy the insatiable greed for profits of the 'members of the boeard and the stockholders'--if he doesn't want to be fired from his own business.
"In interest-slavery is every nation that covers its needs for money through 'loans.'
In interest-slavery every nation is destroyed, every nation that gives its most important domestic sovereign rights to the money-power -- the bankers, its financial interests, its railroads, and the control of the most important taxes and tariffs, as Germany has done through acceptance of the Dawes plan.
"In interest-slavery are all nations and all governments that bend before the power of loan-capital.
"In interest-slavery is all creative work, that has lost its place to gold, so that to-day money has become the most brutal tyrant over work.
"Interest-slavery is the correct term for the contrasts 'capital vs. work,' 'blood vs. money,' 'power of creation vs. profiteering.'
"The demand for breaking of interest-slavery is of such gigantic proportions, of such fundamental importance for our nation...that the rebirth of our nation out of the depths of slavery and shame is dependent upon the solution of the problem, indeed the happiness, prosperity and civilization of the world is dependent upon it.
"Breaking of interest-slavery is the steel axle about which everything turns. It is much more than a financial, political demand;...It goes into the personal life of everyone. It demands the decision from everyone: serving for the people or limitless private wealth. It means the solution of the social question."
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By Anonymous
11-28-1
Who is the biggest, baddest bully on the block? That would have to be the
out-of-control US government, right? Maybe not.
Let's go back in time a bit and trace how we got to where we are today. In
retracing our steps, we might discover that we've missed a few clues...
In the US before WW ONE, there was:
* No Federal Reserve Bank - banking power was decentralized and thus much
more democratic
* No IRS - wages of workers were not taxed! all federal revenues came from
levies on imports. personal financial matters were entirely private
* No national propaganda office - ex. the Kreel Committee created to "sell"
the war to a skeptical public
The formation of the FBI followed soon after the war.
And there you have modern America in a nutshell.
A banking system controlled by a handful of private interests; the
government with the ability to impoverish and terrorize productive people by
controlling their take home pay and profits; a secret police bureau to
track, harass, and occasionally murder dissenters while covering the crimes
of the elite; and a policy of social engineering in which the federal
government actively forms public opinion.
Many theorize that these "innovations" were engineered by JP Morgan who had
loaned enormous amounts of money to England and had a vested interest in
getting it paid back through an English victory over Germany. He therefore,
got the US involved in the war and perverted the banking and tax system to
help the US pay for it.
Then there are those who believe that it was England itself with its age old
skill at conniving that accomplished this for the purposes of staging a
quiet takeover of the United States banking system as a prelude to eventual
re-absorption of the country itself.
Another faction, believes that the Bank of England is controlled by a group
of crypto-Socialists, the Fabians, whose members included people like Cecil
Rhodes who for philosophical reasons want to see the world fall under One
World socialist rule and that the Fed-IRS monster among others was their
invention to bring the US into the fold.
For some reason, another plausible theory - that this can all be traced to
the Vatican - is not in as common circulation, yet among all the groups
accused, they had the clearest means, motive and opportunity to create and
install such systems. More on that later, but if you grant the possibility
that banking empires like Rothschild's and Morgan's were in fact created and
controlled behind the scenes by another set of very worldly, very
experienced and very rich bankers, it's not so far fetched.
For an idea of just how powerful these bankers can be take a look here at
their own official (and sanitized) history: http://www.rothschildarchive.org
"Behind the scenes, the Rothschilds were principal actors in most of the
19th century's major events. The Duke of Wellington could not have paid his
army at Waterloo without Rothschilds' assistance. Rothschilds' intervention
enabled Disraeli to acquire the Suez Canal for Britain. A Rothschild-led
syndicate enabled France to discharge its reparations debt early after the
Franco-Prussian war. Such transactions, and many more, have entered banking
legend. Then, as now, speed, efficiency and discretion were qualities highly
prized by governments."
Note that the Rothschilds were the official bankers for numerous European
countries including Catholic countries like Spain. (It's hard to imagine a
private bank getting a monarch-granted monopoly in a Catholic country where
monarchs served at the pleasure of the Pope.)
Our founding fathers and many 19th century luminaries including Samuel
Morse, the inventor of the telegraph, were well aware and outspoken on the
dangers of foreign intrigue on the part of bankers and religionists. Somehow
the danger of these forces is no longer taken seriously and those who even
contemplate them are deemed "conspiracy theorists" and exiled from public
dialogue, "excommunicated" so to speak.
In any event, whoever was behind the deeds, the WW I era changed the basic
structure of the US and the meaning of citizenship forever.
Gause's somewhat disjointed book "The Secret World of Money" explains why
bankers, especially central bankers, like the Fed have so much power. In
essence, they create and are in a position to destroy the money supply and
thereby control the fate of nations.
This is particularly noteworthy since the Fed is NOT a government
institution. It is a privately owned bank that has been given the monopoly
to create money by Congress. The ownership in 1983 broke down this way:
* Citibank 15%
* Chase Manhattan 15%
* Morgan Guaranty 9%
* Manny Hanny 7%
* Chemical Bank 8%
The names have changed, but the basic structure and ownership of the US's
central bank remains. The key points are that it is in private hands, its
financial activities are not subject to government audit, and it pays no
taxes.
As astonishing as this arrangement may sound, it is not conspiracy theory.
It's the actual legal facts of the situation and has been since the bank's
formation.
The dangerous ambitions of central bankers have at previous times in our
history been thoroughly appreciated.
Thomas Jefferson: "If the American people ever allow private banks to
control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation,
the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the
people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the
continent their Fathers conquered."
In fact, this has already happened to a significant portion of the
population. They work, but after taxes and inflated prices for their
sustenance, there is nothing left over. They are "one paycheck away" from
financial catastrophe. The number of people on that precipice has grown
steadily and, thanks to the excesses of the 90s, their numbers include
millions of the middle class.
A jump in unemployment (here now) and re-igniting of inflation (coming) and
many of these millions are going to see a significant drop in their income.
Here's the key: It's the Fed - a privately owned institution of murky
origins - that calls the tune. Presumably, Greenspan's bumbling demeanor
notwithstanding, the fellows at the top plan ahead. In other words, they
know well in advance that the party will end with a thud and a lot of
Americans are going to be financially traumatized. The predictable response
to such things is outrage, bitterness, and search for a scapegoat.
Since not one in ten thousand knows to blame it on the Fed, the scapegoat
will be "the government." The government knows this and has been preparing
for it. Note that, for reasons that make little sense otherwise, the
military has been conducting training operations INSIDE US cities. The claim
made is that this is to prepare for urban warfare overseas. It makes far
more sense that the preparation is for military work right here in the US.
Now, of course, thanks to 9-11, armed National Guard troops are an every day
sight in US airports, train stations and other public places. In short,
they're ready.
Now, let's look at history.
WW ONE era Germany was morally neither better or worse than its opponents.
But one thing it was NOT, was Vatican-friendly. In fact, it was the bastion
of Protestantism, and a rejector of Vatican power in Europe. WW I destroyed
that position.
After crushing German society, the major New York banks (which owned the
Fed), and the corporations they controlled, started to rebuild Germany under
Hitler. In fact, they were quite generous to him during a time when the US
economy was starving for investment. Why did they do this?
World War Two as Double Dipping by War Profiteers
Did they simply see Hitler as someone who would do their bidding. i.e. build
a strong, anti-labor industrialized state that they could "deal with. That's
the story most often told, but it does not ring true because the aid they
gave to Germany was clearly being used to build a huge military machine, not
a productive economy. In fact, Hitler was not only provided with military
capacity, he was provided by nominally US corporations with technology that
was well in advance of what was available to the US military of the time.
Clearly, the Fed which controls the US money supply and the banks which
doled out the loans had to know they were building a Europe-conquering army
and putting it in the hands of Hitler,
(end of excerpt)
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:13:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Quechick Barnyard <quechick007@yahoo.com>
Subject: (unknown)
Due to so many illegal aliens entering our country
without legal means. Now we find that there are
millions now residing in the USA. The Congress is
attempting the broad job of consider a workable way
for those people from Mexico, and I understand it is a
huge undertaking. They have been in conference and
contact with each other working on the program to
allow them to earn their citizenship. That might take
an Act of Congress, so the old adage goes! :)
I do think that any idea which you may have, even
though it might not sound ordinary ways to earn a
citizenship, you might come up with the magic key.
I have thought of one way, for those elegible folks
who could quite possibly help earn their citizenship.
It might not be the ideal thing, but we do need our
National Guard at home. We have seen several such
problems develop where they could have helped save
many lives.
I reccommend some of those people who wish to earn
their rights and equality, if Congress should review
this and agree, that could work in some of these
individual cases. Our soldiers are weary and in my
humble opinion, some could use a little time off and
some very earned rest. These such Mexicans could be
trained just as easily as the Iraqis. So why not
train these folks who would like to take advantages of
this offer. We still have enough bases to help do
this, and having safe haven, it would not be nearly as
dangerous while training.
If those Mexicans who came here by illegal measure
wish to, could quitely possibly earn American status,
by becoming an AMerican very quickly, and serving
along side our other Americans who are showing their
solidairty for them and their families. I, for one,
would like to see more Amerian Citizenship showing
among this particular group, since they wish to live
here and raise their children here. There would be
more Americans who truly would accept them by their
actions.
I must say that I was a bit taken back, that so many
Mexicans who recently protested on a large scale,
although some carried American flags, (small ones) and
others carried huge Mexican Flags.. That is not the
best way to get citizenship, now is it? Think about
it. If they wish to require duel citizenship and
become an American, also (Mexican-American) then, let
them prove their loyalty to us and their country NOW.
This could help process a huge number of legal duel
citizens and allow them to become Americans NOW.
There could be other imporatant ways, by showing their
sincerity in becoming one of us AMericans. There are
more ways they can show their good intentions, I am
sure many of you can think of other ways, state side,
with which they could become adaptable and more
peacfully than some are now. To demand our rights
which has taken a life time to build our Social
Security Department, our Medicare, Medicaid Health
services and also other amenities for Americans and
Citizens only. Many of these folks have worked and
made a showing of being able to support their families
and are appreciative of that opportunity.
I somehow believe that Corporations should not be
looking for cheap minimum wages either, pay according
to their work capabilites, just as they do AMericans.
Many of the illegal Mexicans who are here or who will
be coming here, must understand, there are regulations
to following and if they do not, then they will not
become a citizen and keep that status.
we are not running a Rehabitation Camp here, although
some Americans seem to think perhaps we are, consider
the cost of schooling these such people who are
already here. To deny their children an educations,
would only keep them down even more. I know some
wonderful Mexican people. I have friends who are
Mexican-Americans. In fact one of my doctors who is a
specialist physican, and one of the known best in his
field in this area. We really have an international
Medical Hospitals today, and many more fabulous in
equally as important and needed.
So, please don't be afraid to share your thoughts on
helping to settle this very urgent need in our
country. I really think these Senators could
appreciate a little help now. Although they are more
experienced and seasoned than us, still they do have
readers for them and maybe some your ideas could be
woven into their progress, which will be difficult at
the best, for those such plans must be in keeping of
our constitutional laws. That is the job they face.
This topic of these copies and notations could be a
beginning. There is much work to ahead, so let us all
put our heads together and come up with a few
solutions. If you do not have the congress people's
addresses, simply put their names into your search
engines, or proceed to federal government. com
sections.
You probably are aware of the following, but for the
use of other readers who have not caught up on this
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WASHINGTON, April 6 � Senate leaders reached agreement
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but its prospects for passage grew more uncertain as
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McCain, said he and others would easily vote down such
amendments if they were brought to a vote.
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granted legal status to nearly three million illegal
immigrants.
"This compromise would repeat the mistakes of the
past, but on a much larger scale because 12 million
illegal immigrants would still be placed on an easier
path to citizenship," said Senator John Cornyn,
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From: Peter Myers <myers@cyberone.com.au>
Date: April 10, 2006 6:00:10 AM EST
Subject: The Age of Synthetic Terror, by Professor A. K. Dewdney of
Physics 911
Welcome as the scientific report is (item 1), the political
interpretation it
espouses seems to take its cue from Jared Israel (Emperor's Clothes).
The problem is that he "writes out" any Israeli, i.e. Mossad,
connection. On
which, see items 2 & 3, which are repeated here from the archives, to
show
evidence that does not fit with Jared Israel's line.
Just as Noam Chomsky and other Left Gatekeepers want to discredit the
Mearsheimer-Walt report. Jeff Blankfort, who contributed items 4 & 6,
is a
Jewish Leftist but exposes the lobby and Chomsky's role in shielding it.
(1) The Age of Synthetic Terror, by Professor A. K. Dewdney of Physics
911
(2) THE FIVE ISRAELIS ARRESTED ON 9-11, by Michael Rivero (of What
Really Happened)
(3) Mossad's Link to 9-11
(4) Protecting the Jewish lobby from the Mearsheimer-Walt critique
(5) Comment on Mearsheimer/Walt paper, by Edward Peck, former U.S.
ambassador
to Iraq
(6) Chicago Tribune: Chomsky to the rescue of the lobby again
(1) The Age of Synthetic Terror, by Professor A. K. Dewdney of Physics
911
Date: 10 Apr 2006 06:45:15 -0000 From: Physics 911 <info@physics911.net>
Welcome to the World of Synthetic Terror
http://physics911.net/syntheticterrorfourup.jpg
April 5th, 2006 (http://physics911.net
- The evidence is in, the analyses have been made, and conclusions
have been
drawn by scientists, engineers and other experts: the so-called terror
attacks of September 11, 2001 were faked. There is, moreover,
independent
evidence from
<http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-3-1050175,00.html>
multiple
<http://physics911.net/davidshayler.htm> credible sources that
<http://www.uruknet.info/.?p=17997> Al Qaeda is the creation of
western spy agencies.
If you have any questions concerning these assertions, visit
http://www.physics911.net
The <http://www.physics911.net/spine.htm> Scientific Panel
Investigating
Nine-Eleven has formed around this website. The Panel consists of over
thirty
experts in the fields of science, engineering, architecture,
intelligence,
the military, medicine, Islamic studies and other disciplines. The
members
are willing to stand up and be counted, even the ones with the highest
public
profiles. You will find them on the
<http://www.physics911.net/spine.htm>
members list, accessible from the button near the top of this page.
Of course, the Physics 911 website is hardly alone in cyberspace.
There are
now literally <http://www.physics911.net/resources.htm> hundreds of
skeptical
websites on the internet (with only a handful of dissenting sites
defending
<http://www.9-11commission.gov> the official story). There are
<http://www.st911.org> other working groups with websites, as well,
not to
mention thousands of people doing their own inquiries into 911 and
millions
of people skeptical of the official story (including 48% of New
Yorkers,
according to a <http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=855> Zogby
poll
taken in 2005).
We are now living in what has been called the Age of
<http://www.nowpublic.com/node/25359> Synthetic Terror. In contrast to
the
corporate media line, "terrorism" is the brainchild and product of
western
intelligence agencies. Its purpose is to foment <i>domestic</i> anger
at
Muslims in order to justify a program of a) invasion of sovereign
nations, b)
seizure of their oil resources, c) mass murder designed to look like
sectarian violence, d) establishing permanent military bases and e) the
installation of puppet governments in the countries so affected.
It follows that the mass murder of 9/11, blamed on Arab/Muslim
patsies, was
but the opening scene of a drama that would have many acts, with
hundreds of
thousands of murders to follow.
There is one and only one way to bring this program of synthetic
terror to an
end. The knowledge that we have acquired must be made public and made
public
soon. The next massive military operation may be against Iran. Such an
attack
would require a triggering episode in which a handful of Muslims,
Iranian
this time, would be blamed for the bombing of a western target,
possibly
involving a nuclear device, given the (pretended) concern over Iran's
nuclear
program. (Think Iraq. Think WMDs.)
How long will it take members of the corporate media to break free
with this
story? Their colleagues may be unaware that the
<http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/
310306launchinvestigation.htm>
country of Venezuela has undertaken an international inquiry into
9/11. They
may be unaware that
<http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060323162638376> Charlie
Sheen's
allegations are but the tip of an iceberg or unaware of the
<http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FE22Ak03.html> deception in
Iraq or
that the Osama tapes are <http://physics911.net/kevinbarrett.htm> faked.
The story is yours.
A. K. Dewdney
Coordinator Scientific Panel Investigating Nine-Eleven
[snip]
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From: John Leonard <jpleonard@verizon.net>
Date: April 10, 2006 3:19:17 AM EST
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [911TruthAction] Sharing Success Secrets from Seattle Event
"Facing the Truth about 911"
Reply-To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Webster Tarpley called and told me about the great success in Seattle.
We both thought it would be good to share some of the secrets of that
success with people in Vermont and elsewhere who are organizing events.
Here is what Kim in Seattle contributed:
Hi John ~ Good to hear from you.� Yes, all of our Seattle events were
jammed to capacity, and the city is buzzing with the "Truth About 911".
Here are some suggestions from our "bag of tricks" to support your
maximium success in Vermont (and everywhere)
1) Consider using the same title for all events, so that you maximize
the marketing efforts, and plant a very strong "mime" in everyone's
brain.
This also counteracts all the spin doctors of the corporate media!
2)� Call our all kinds of volunteers to post flyers everywhere.� We
posted at least 3000 all over the city, as early as four weeks in
advance - up until the last day.� Street posts, bus terminals,
businsesses, grocery carts,
schools, universities, peace and justice events, town hall meetings,
etc etc.
3)� Write a simple, clear mission statement, and form phone trees, to
ask people to call media, civic leaders, scholars, professors, peace
and justice leaders, union leaders, and all kinds of ordinary
citizens.� Read the mission statement, and ask directly for their
support, involvement, attendance, donations, and their own direct
outreach to others.� Ask folks to purchase tickets immediately, for
themselves and others.�
4)� Set up a Pay Pal account to accept donations of all sizes.
5)� When selling things at events, we called it a "donation" and
usually had a "sliding scale" to accomodate all budgets.
6)� Remember, even in this high tech age"face to face, heart to heart,
soul to soul" marketing is still very effective.� Ask your team to call
at least 10 people every day!� For sceptics and the uninitiated, I
always say three important basic truths:� *1) The American people
deserve the truth.
*2) Democracy necessitates an informed citizenry.� *3) Bring an open
mind and heart.�
7) Make it exciting, passionate, all inclusive.� Create a "buzz" that
is irrisitible!� Empower people to lead.� Make it fun!� Create
extraordinary teamwork.� In my facilitation of our group, we created
strong agreements to "turn towards our problems, conflicts, and
personal BS" immediately, so we could "clean up our messes" and not let
that stuff drag us down.
8) Go to community colleges, and universities to the advanced computer
classes, and find students, engage them in doing massive email
campaigns for you.� Pay them $10 an hour, to send your flyers out to
huge lists twice a week.� Welcome them and encourage them to attend
and/or volunteer at the events for you.� Note:� we decided early on
that all of us organizers and volunteers would pay for our tickets to
attend!!!� No exceptions.
9)� Hold events at churches, book stores, and in community halls
before your larger events.� Each time, ask people directly for their
help in marketing your next event.� Have packets of info ready to give
out, including DVD's, websites, books, your mission statement, etc.
This empowers people, creates teamwork, engages civic passion, and
great connections between folks!� Encourage folks to do their own
research!
10)� Call your high schools and invite the teachers to attend and
bring their students.� Some HS teachers in Seattle have used 911 as a
important part of the daily curicculum, and teach about 911 in their
classrooms, nonstop since that tragic day.� Offer a comlimentary copy
of Barrie Zwicker's DVD� "The Great Conspiracy" to show. Lead the
discussion, and create talking points, and research papers for the
students to do.
11)� Invite film departments of high schools, community colleges, and
universities to attend your events (for a discounted group fee)and film
it.
12) Encourage people to have "Facing the Truth About 911" information
parties at home, at work, at community centers, chuches, libraries,
etc.
�
All the other ideas you mention in your message are great tactics
too.� Be sure and tap into the Quantum Physics dimension of "creating
the reality" and results you want.� Literally, have your team do
affirmations together, and alone, several times a day:� visual,
written, and spoken.
Clear, simple, potent.� Encourage people to ask for help from their
spiritual realms!� Hey, John, I hope this is useful to you and your
team!
Best of luck!� I will be doing affirmations for extrordinary success
for all of your events!� "You must be the change you want to see in the
world"
(Ghandi)
Do stay in touch, and a warm hello to all!� If I can be of any more
help, just let me know.�
Best
Regards, Kim Kerrigan
[snip]
�
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From: Peter Teichner <wavepizza@yahoo.com> (by way of s culver
<sc@lmi.net>)
Date: April 9, 2006 9:14:24 PM EST
To: (Recipient list suppressed)
Subject: Fwd: Bush Plan To Nuke Iran
Yahoo News story: http://tinyurl.com/endag
From: "RICHARD B. SIMON"
Date: April 9, 2006
Subject: Bush Plan To Nuke Iran
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060408/wl_mideast_afp/
usirannuclearmilitary
or http://tinyurl.com/endag
US Considers Use of Nuclear Weapons Against Iran
Sat Apr 8, 2:24 AM ET
WASHINGTON (AFP) - The administration of President George W. Bush is
planning a massive bombing campaign against Iran, including use of
bunker-buster nuclear bombs to destroy a key Iranian suspected nuclear
weapons facility, The New Yorker magazine has reported in its April 17
issue.
The article by investigative journalist Seymour Hersh said that Bush
and others in the White House have come to view Iranian President
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as a potential Adolf Hitler.
"That's the name they're using," the report quoted a former senior
intelligence official as saying.
A senior unnamed Pentagon adviser is quoted in the article as saying
that "this White House believes that the only way to solve the problem
is to change the power structure in Iran, and that means war."
The former intelligence officials depicts planning as "enormous,"
"hectic" and "operational," Hersh writes.
One former defense official said the military planning was premised on
a belief that "a sustained bombing campaign in Iran will humiliate the
religious leadership and lead the public to rise up and overthrow the
government," The New Yorker pointed out.
In recent weeks, the president has quietly initiated a series of talks
on plans for Iran with a few key senators and members of the House of
Representatives, including at least one Democrat, the report said.
One of the options under consideration involves the possible use of a
bunker-buster tactical nuclear weapon, such as the B61-11, to insure
the destruction of Iran's main centrifuge plant at Natanz, Hersh
writes.
But the former senior intelligence official said the attention given
to the nuclear option has created serious misgivings inside the
military, and some officers have talked about resigning after an
attempt to remove the nuclear option from the evolving war plans in
Iran failed, according to the report.
"There are very strong sentiments within the military against
brandishing nuclear weapons against other countries," the magazine
quotes the Pentagon adviser as saying.
The adviser warned that bombing Iran could provoke "a chain reaction"
of attacks on American facilities and citizens throughout the world and
might also reignite Hezbollah.
"If we go, the southern half of Iraq will light up like a candle," the
adviser is quoted as telling The New Yorker.
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From: s culver <sc@lmi.net>
Date: April 9, 2006 9:19:45 PM EST
To: (Recipient list suppressed)
Subject: The Rebuking and Scorning of Cynthia McKinney
http://counterpunch.org/vest04072006.html
Weekend Edition, April 7-9, 2006
"Invisibility Looks Good on You"
The Rebuking and Scorning of Cynthia McKinney
By DAVID VEST
A Washington press corps that stood idly by while Bush and Cheney
plundered
the country, wrecked the environment, spied on Americans without a
warrant,
tortured civilians and lied the country into a war that will only get
worse, woke up one morning and collectively decided: "Let's all play Get
Cynthia!"
Let's get her for being too outspoken, bringing up the wrong issue at
the
wrong time, failing to get with the program, becoming a distraction,
leaving House Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi beside herself with rage.
Let's get her because, hell, she practically volunteered for it, and
besides, she's an easy target, standing practically alone, fired upon at
will by Republicans -- who seem to think her story cancels out DeLay,
Abramoff, Katrina and Iraq -- and virtually undefended by Democrats,
except
by the rolling of eyes heavenward, as though to say, "Oh, please! We're
not
responsible for HER!"
Rep. Cynthia McKinney has now apologized for her part in the face-off at
Checkpoint Cynthia. It was not enough to stop the cartooning of the
coverage. Already the news wires are spinning her statement as a
complete
about-face, an abandonment of everything else she has said about the
incident. Look, she said there was racial profiling in Washington! Look,
now she's apologizing!
Journalists are reporting this story as though it were their job to
"get"
her, breathlessly revealing that the woman who receives more hate mail
than
Teddy Kennedy employs a part-time bodyguard, as though it proved
something
about her mental state.
But note, please, Rep. McKinney did not take back anything she has said
about racial profiling in the nation's capitol. And the fact remains
that,
while each day's mail brings a new wave of personal threats, some of the
people charged with protecting her affect not to recognize her. A
Republican colleague offered the suggestion that she could announce "I
am a
Member of Congress" each time she passes a security checkpoint. But
McKinney has served for eleven years, not eleven minutes.
Here's a test of media fairness: how many times, over those eleven
years,
have you seen Rep. McKinney on CNN, NBC, ABC, or CBS, asked to explain
her
views on Iraq and the Middle East? Not once, you say? Read on for the
"why
come" of it all.
The leaders of her own party turn their backs while she endures the most
vicious racial stereotyping I've seen, since the last time I looked at
that
old KKK rag called the "Thunderbolt" when a fellow college student
stuck a
copy in my face back around 1963. "I know it's probably racist," he
said,
"but it's funny," as if that would have made it all right.
It wasn't funny, it was disgusting, and I don't think what's happening
to
Rep. Cynthia McKinney is funny now. Much of the commentary seems to have
been written by the same sort of people who say they don't agree with
Rush
Limbaugh, they just listen to him for "entertainment." (Anybody out
there
who listens to Rush for entertainment, please get your eyes off of my
words, I've got nothing to say to you and I sure as hell don't want to
"amuse" you.)
Two-party collusion in the destruction of a reputation is the story
here,
folks. For Pelosi, the affair is "not something we need to focus on."
Judging by Dennis Hastert's comments, Checkpoint Cynthia was the biggest
national security event since 9/11.
Rep. Tom DeLay called McKinney a racist. Nothing DeLay said would
surprise
me, and that comment was no exception. What did surprise me was that I
couldn't find any stories quoting any Democrats saying, "Tom DeLay
called
somebody a racist? Tom DeLay?!"
Oh, I know. They didn't want to take the bait, fall into the trap, keep
the
ball in the air for another news cycle. But really, how can they stand
this? How can anybody?
Right wingers, aided by Democrats, are spinning McKinney as "arrogant,"
"haughty," a "nut-case," even "the madwoman McKinney" -- a woman who,
just
between us pros, wink wink, doesn't understand how "the game" is played.
She understands the game all right. She just refuses to play it. When
CNN's
Soledad O'Brien, trying to take control of an interview, said to
McKinney,
"Let me stop you there," what came back on her was something spoken in a
tone rarely used toward a TV personality: "You can't stop me, Soledad."
And you can't control me, she might have added, and you can't dictate
your
own framing of the issues with me.
How easy it is for people who don't have a history of having their
right to
be present challenged, to counsel others to be more "calm" and
"sensible"
when provoked.
How easy it is to imagine a senior party member sitting down with Rep.
McKinney, patiently and paternalistically explaining that politics is
the
art of compromise, sweetie. We all know what's supposed to be meant by
that, but what kind of compromise do we really want our elected
representatives to make with racial profiling, warrantless wiretapping,
torture, and a war founded on lies?
The Democratic Party has already compromised this country into desperate
straits, going along to get along with Bush. It has been so long since
one
of them stood ground on anything, we're all shocked when it happens.
Cynthia McKinney is standing firm, with little visible support, but then
she has stood alone before. Like that time when she actually voted to
withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq, when given the chance. She was joined by
only two other members of the House. The Republicans dared the
Democrats to
vote for withdrawal, and the Dems all frantically denounced the
maneuver as
a trap. McKinney seized the moment and called their bluff. Is that what
her
critics have in mind when they call her a "nut-case" or even worse
names?
If she's a nut-case, then maybe we need to send some more crazy people
up
in there.
She stood alone in 2002, when power brokers in her own party recruited a
Reagan Republican stalking horse to defeat her, after McKinney expressed
support for Palestinian rights and was among the first to call for an
investigation of the Bush Administration after 9/11. The party line at
that
time was that "we've all got to stand behind the president" in the
Wonderful War on Terror.
And then, when McKinney rose from the political dead and returned
uninvited
from the oblivion they had consigned her to, and reclaimed her seat
without
anyone's special blessing, other than the voters of her district, the
Democrats in the House celebrated her historic comeback by refusing to
restore her seniority.
That was Nancy Pelosi's way of saying, "You will comply."
They wanted to keep Crazy Cynthia away from the microphone, of course
they
did. Out of sight, out of mind. Can't have our elected officials running
around saying the same things the public is saying about the war on
Iraq!
Makes us look bad! And thus it comes to pass that we get news stories
saying things like, "Since returning to Washington, McKinney has kept a
lower profile until last week's incident," as if keeping quiet on public
matters was her own idea.
The incident with the Capitol Police wasn't about her hair. It wasn't
about
the identity pin. It's about the fact that when you are female, black,
antiwar, and militant, invisibility looks good on you, from where the
pro-war Dems sit.
Some of us are old enough to remember that many Democrats accused Martin
Luther King, Jr. of "ingratitude" when he began to speak out against the
Vietnam War. That was the very moment when, in the eyes of many who had
previously and publicly despised him, he was transmogrified into the
Great
Civil Rights Leader, who had now "gone too far" and "risked" damaging
the
wonderful "reputation" he had earned, not to mention all the "progress
for
his people" that (hint, hint) could be rolled back if a "backlash" were
provoked.
Vestiges of this view persist today in some quarters. William F. Buckley
has said (recently) that he regrets that National Review opposed Civil
Rights. He has not, insofar as I am aware, expressed a hint remorse for
not
supporting King in trying to stop the war in Vietnam.
So now, today, we have Rep. McKinney calling Israel to account,
demanding
justice for Palestinians, questioning what happened on 9/11, giving no
quarter on racial profiling, and voting against the war in Iraq.
How are the do-nothing Democrats supposed to get the benefit of the
antiwar
crowd, if there are people running around actively voting against the
war?
They act as though they believe all the country really needs is not to
end
the disaster in Iraq but to let the "good guys" run it.
The noble John "Nobody Spins Me" Kerry writes an op-ed calling for not
one
but TWO deadlines in Iraq (top that, Hillary!) and the whole party has a
conniption fit because all anyone can talk about is this uppitty Black
woman who won't let security or anybody else, including party
leadership,
manhandle her.
Nancy Pelosi had her party theme all picked out: we were all supposed
to be
talking about Tom DeLay and this "Republican culture of corruption,"
and if
anyone pressed us on Iraq, we were to demand, with one mighty voice (are
you ready? all together now ...) "that 2006 be a significant period of
transition" in Iraq.
The Democratic Party, in splendid unison, calling upon American sons and
daughters to hurl their bodies into the immolating fire, for the sake
of "a
significant period of transition" -- who could resist?
How different from that other voice, that Black voice from Georgia,
joined
by a handful of others, saying "Bring the troops home. Stop this war.
Now."
You begin to get a pretty clear idea why the Democrats have never asked
McKinney to give the rebuttal after a Bush State of the Union.
And as for the Republicans, with few exceptions, they don't ever intend
to
let another person of color claim to be a victim of racism without
attacking her credibility. Not one more. (Recall how patiently they
explained to us all that what happened in New Orleans in the aftermath
of
Katrina "wasn't about race.")
Let them convene their grand jury and push their polls. Maybe one day a
polling agency will call you, to ask what you think about white folks
telling people of color that they're wrong to feel that anything,
anything,
is ever about racism.
Before judging Rep. McKinney, ask yourself, what kind of person would
still
be in public service, after setbacks and sabotage attempts like these?
What
kind of person would keep reporting for duty after being consistently
disrespected, and repeatedly challenged to "identify" herself after 11
years in Congress? And then to be mocked and attacked for her refusal to
meekly "comply" when physically prevented from going to cast a vote.
You got a bit of the answer if you saw Rep. McKinney on CNN with Wolf
Blitzer. I liked it when she refused to let him control the
conversation,
but I have to tell you, we stood up and cheered at my house when she
told
Blitzer, "Don't even begin to twist my words."
Among the comments at our table that evening was, "Why can't SHE be
president?"
Singer-songwriter David Vest can be reached at:
davidvest@springmail.com.
His CDs includes Serve Me Right To Shuffle and Way Down Here (Live).
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From: NoSpam <no-reply@verizon.net>
Date: April 3, 2006 3:27:19 PM EST
To: waronfreedom@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WarOnFreedom] Scientist advocates mass murder of 90% of
humanity
Top Scientist Advocates Mass Culling 90% of Human Population
Fellow professors and scientists applaud and roar
approval
at elite's twisted and genocidal population control
agenda
Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | April 3 2006
A top scientist gave a speech to the Texas
Academy of Science last month in which he
advocated the need to exterminate 90% of the
population through the airborne ebola virus. Dr.
Eric R. Pianka's chilling comments, and their
enthusiastic reception again underscore the
elite's agenda to enact horrifying measures of population control.
Pianka's speech was ordered to be kept off the
record before it began as cameras were turned
away and hundreds of students, scientists and professors sat in
attendance.
Saying the public was not ready to hear the
information presented, Pianka began by
exclaiming, �We're no better than bacteria!�, as
he jumped into a doomsday malthusian rant about
overpopulation destroying the earth.
Standing in front of a slide of human skulls,
Pianka gleefully advocated airborne ebola as his
preferred method of exterminating the necessary
90% of humans, choosing it over AIDS because of
its faster kill period. Ebola victims suffer the
most tortuous deaths imaginable as the virus
kills by liquefying the internal organs. The body
literally dissolves as the victim writhes in pain bleeding from every
orifice.
Pianka then cited the Peak Oil fraud as another
reason to initiate global genocide. �And the
fossil fuels are running out,� he said, �so I
think we may have to cut back to two billion,
which would be about one-third as many people.�
Later, the scientist welcomed the potential
devastation of bird flu and spoke glowingly of
China's enforced one child policy, before
zestfully commenting, �We need to sterilize everybody on the Earth.�
At the end of Pianka's speech the audience
erupted not into a chorus of boos and hisses but into
a raucous reception of applause and cheers as
audience members clammered to get close to the
scientist to ask him follow up questions. Pianka
was later presented with a distinguished
scientist award by the Academy. Pianka is no
crackpot. He has given lectures to prestigious universities worldwide.
One horrified observer was able to make notes on
the speech and our gratitude goes to Forrest M.
Mims for bringing this sickening display to the attention of the world.
Throughout history elites have invented
justification for barbaric practices as a cover
for their true agenda of absolute power and
control over populations. Up until the 19th
century, the transatlantic slave trade was
justified by saying that the practice was
biblical and therefore morally redeemable in
nature, despite the fact that no such bible passage exists.
From 1932 until 1972, the Tuskegee Study Group
(pictured below) deliberately infected poor black
communities in Alabama with syphilis without
their consent and withheld treatment as the
diseased rampaged through the town killing families.
Pianka's doomsday warning of the population bomb,
for which Mims claims he presented no evidence
whatsoever, is complete pseudo-science.
Populations in developed countries are declining
and only in third world countries is it expanding
dramatically. Industrialization itself levels out
population trends and even despite this world
population models routinely show that the earth's
population will level out at 9 billion in 2050
and slowly decline after that. "The population of
the most developed countries will remain
virtually unchanged at 1.2 billion until 2050,"
states a United Nations report. Conservation
International's own study revealed that 46% of
the earth's surface was an untouched wilderness,
that is land areas not including sea. It is
commonly accepted that the entire world
population could all fit into the state of Texas
and each have an acre of their own land.
Think about the magnitude of Pianka's statements.
He wants to kill nine out of every ten members of
your family and he wants to kill them in one of
the most painful and agonizing ways imaginable.
If Pianka, or 'The Lizard Man' as he likes to be
called, is so vehement in the necessity of
culling the human population will he step forward
to be the first one in line? Will he sacrifice
his children for the so-called greater good of the planet? We somehow
doubt it.
Will the students who so enthusiastically greeted
his ideas go home and kill themselves for the cause if it is so
righteous?
It was noted how Pianka presented his argument
with the kind of glee that you would see in a
demented serial killer before dispatching his
victim. This is an attitude we have encountered
again and again. To discuss killing 90% of the
world's population via a horrific plague is sick
enough within itself but you would at least
expect its advocates to be serious and sober in
their approach to the subject. The opposite seems
to be the case, where the subject is aired in a
context of lighthearted lip-smacking and
hand-rubbing as if the individual was about to
sink his teeth into a T-bone steak.
This window gives us a clear view of exactly why
these deranged bastards encompass this ideology.
They love death and their lives are motivated by
dark influences very different to you or I.
In the 21st century the elite are concerned that
from over 6 billion people might spring a new
elite to challenge their stranglehold on the
reigns of power. This is one reason for desire to
cull the population down to a manageable level.
Another is control over the behavior of the
existing serfs and herding them like cattle into the slaughter house.
As we have documented, members of the elite are
quite open in their feverish lust to commit mass
murder and ethnic cleansing. In the foreword to
his biography If I Were An Animal, Prince Philip
wrote, "In the event that I am reincarnated, I
would like to return as a deadly virus, in order
to contribute something to solve overpopulation."
National Security Memo 200, dated April 24, 1974,
and titled "Implications of world wide population
growth for U.S. security & overseas interests," says:
"Dr. Henry Kissinger proposed in his memorandum
to the NSC that "depopulation should be the
highest priority of U.S. foreign policy towards
the Third World." He quoted reasons of national
security, and because `(t)he U.S. economy will
require large and increasing amounts of minerals
from abroad, especially from less-developed
countries ... Wherever a lessening of population
can increase the prospects for such stability,
population policy becomes relevant to resources,
supplies and to the economic interests of U.S."
Kissinger prepared a depopulation manifesto for
President Jimmy Carter called 'Global 2000' which
detailed using food as a weapon to depopulate the third world.
One of the most chilling admissions of deadly
intent came from the lips of the late Jacques
Cousteau, the sainted environmental icon. In an
interview with the UNESCO Courier for November
1991 the famed oceanographer said:
"The damage people cause to the planet is a
function of demographics � it is equal to the
degree of development. One American burdens the
earth much more than twenty Bangaladeshes. The
damage is directly linked to consumption. Our
society is turning toward more and needless
consumption. It is a vicious circle that I compare to cancer...."
"This is a terrible thing to say. In order to
stabilize world population, we must eliminate
350,000 people per day. It is a horrible thing to
say, but it�s just as bad not to say it."
The Melbourne Age reported on recently uncovered
documents detailing Nobel Peace Prize winning
microbiologist Sir Macfarlane Burnet's plan to
help the Australian government develop biological
weapons for use against Indonesia and other
"overpopulated" countries of South-East Asia.
Pianka's ideology is in the same league as
Hitler, Pol Pot, and the rest of history's
despots who advocated mass extermination and had
the temerity to dress it up in a 'noble'
Straussian facade. We demand that he be
investigated for openly calling for mass murder
and in the meantime we encourage everyone to
click here and e mail Pianka, enabling him to
receive your feedback about his wish to kill your children.
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/030406massculling.htm
Interesting, he wants to leave 10% of the world's
population. That just happens to approximate to
the 600 million white folks in North America and Western Europe.
Interesting, that this is the 10% of the world's
population that is devouring most of the
resources, plus destroying the planet with undepleted uranium warheads.
As an "objective scientist," why doesn't he
propose getting rid of the 10% cancerous obese
protuberance he belongs to instead?
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:41:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: mann david <dmann51@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: MEXICAN PROTESTERS, ETC. - CRAPOLA
Scott is correct - total diversion and racist divide
and conquer - Of course it should be noted that
revolutionary internationalist like myself are ALREADY
SHARPLY DIVIDED FROM THE "STORMFRONT PATRIOTS" -e.g.,
NAZIS and at the same time government agents. This has
been well established fact - I will send along the
links. Just as the government of Germany was forced to
admit in court that HALF the leadership and a big
percentage of the membership of the German neo- Nazis
were in fact government agents. That's right - of the
organizations that are supposedly BANNED in Germany.
ALSO !! Why do we allow all this off topic non-sense
to disrupt our 9-11 (remember) site ?? That's not a
rhetorical question - I'm ASKING !!
--- Scott Peden <scotpeden@cruzio.com> wrote:
> Did you see what Cait posted? She was there, at
> Dallas City Hall and this
> physical rioting wasn�t happening.
>
> The article is a whack job article to divert your
> attention.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
> Dick Eastman
> Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 9:43 PM
> To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] MEXICAN PROTESTERS
> ATTACKING WHITE PEOPLE IN
> DALLAS THROWINGBOTTLES F
>
> I agree. This is serious. I think this is the
> establishment's answer to
> all our efforts. A race war. "Divide and control"
> -- the ancient game of
> power elites.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Naveed <mailto:flanker12k@yahoo.com>
> To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 9:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] MEXICAN PROTESTERS
> ATTACKING WHITE PEOPLE IN
> DALLAS THROWINGBOTTLES F
>
> great.....i bet those mexicans were herded with
> agent provacteurs......
>
>
> let me put this in perspective, the CFR bastards
> called for the creation of
> a North American "community", merging of canada, US
> and mexico.....
>
> remember how well those immigrant riots worked in
> france? I think that was a
> test run to see how effective they were....guess
> what, I think we're next!
>
> Cait <ansith@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not sure where this came from, but its not at all
> true. I spent most of the
> entire day in Dallas by City Hall watching this
> protest... geez louise.
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: ranger116@webtv.net
> <mailto:ranger116@webtv.net>
> Date: 04/09/06 21:35:49
> To: openmindandcodenews@yahoogroups.com
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> 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [911TruthAction] MEXICAN PROTESTERS
> ATTACKING WHITE PEOPLE IN
> DALLAS THROWINGBOTTLES F
>
> MEXICAN PROTESTERS ATTACKING WHITE PEOPLE IN DALLAS
> THROWING BOTTLES FILLED WITH BATTERY ACID AT COUNTER
> PROTESTERS
> Dallas police reportedly DOING NOTHING to
> intervene or help whites!
> I just got an emergency phone call from a
> Stormfront patriot who is
> with 30 to 40 other patriots who are now being
> attacked by a crowd of
> about 2,000 Mexicans outside the Dallas City Hall.
> Stormfront Member HatchTX just told me on his cell
> phone that the
> Mexicans are throwing bottles of battery acid at the
> 30 to 40 Whites who
> are protesting the 2,000 Mexicans and other assorted
> non-White invaders
> who are demanding amnesty outside the Dallas City
> Hall.
> HatchTX had to shout into his phone for me to be
> able to hear him,
> but he said that the Dallas Police are not providing
> any protection for
> the 30 to 40 White people who are with him. He
> reports that the Dallas
> Police are making no effort to arrest or stop the
> Mexicans throwing
> bottles of battery acid at the Whites. He says that
> the only thing the
> Dallas Police are doing is shoving the Whites into a
> worse location.
> I asked HatchTX to please phone us if there is
> anything that we can
> do to help him and the 30 to 40 patriots with him.
> He says that he has
> battery power left on his cell phone, and that they
> have additional cell
> phones to call out if their situation gets any
> worse.
> Mexicans and other non-White invaders by the
> hundreds of thousands
> appear to be set to take to the streets all over the
> U.S. with their
> demands for complete capitulation by White America
> to the Mexican
> invasion of our land.
>
> (( In past year - Governors with Gutts used to say
> when the looting
> starts the shooting starts !)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:17:21 -0700
From: APFN <apfn@apfn.org>
Subject: Re: "That's treason!" Affleck asserted: "You could be killed."
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:55:19 -0500
From: "Leslie Schwartz" <lhs_emf@pacbell.net>
Subject: RE: Jew Baiting
Entirely true.
Also, not all Neocons are Jewish, most are not.
AS RFK said it is the, "the enemy within".
He was referring to the thugs who infest the US covert black ops agencies
who are the decedents of Reich wing Nazis from the paperclip operation - who
have been meddling in our domestic politics since the end of WWII, and
assassinating progressives for decades, including a president, and running
operations within the US as they did in Italy to move their politics way
over to the right.
Those are the scum who were willing to carry out 9/11/01. People who would
have you believe they are good loyal super-patriots, and not a Jew among
them.
If you really want to know what these people are all about read some of John
Loftus' books. Lets see, John Loftus or Dick Eastman? Who you gonna believe?
Big surprise, for these fascists who carried out 9/11/01 its all about the
power and the money. Its not about Israel not even a little bit about Israel
for those with the power to make things happen, Mossad just knew it was
going to happen and was on hand to see it go down. They have wanted the US
to get involved in policing the middle east for a long time, but that is not
why the event happened.
Leslie Schwartz, yes I am Jewish and if don't like it you know what you can
do about it.
Also, Eastman is a fool, he is a consummate nothing. By promoting stupid
easily refuted ideas he makes ALL of his efforts worthless. His hatred which
is misplaced clouds his view and destroys the possible value of his other
efforts.
Lets see Eastman prove just one if his hate based contentions, as you said
below, prove to us Eastman that no one of Jewish ethnicity or decent was
killed in the 9/11/01 attack. If you can prove that point Eastman then shut
up and talk about what you can prove.
As an American of Jewish decent I do not blame Palestinians, or Arabs or
Moslems of any nationality for 9/11/01, it's the lying corporate media and
the GW Bush administration who has put forward that lie, blaming the
victims, BushCo along with some spineless Democratic party weasels as well.
This board definitely needs to be moderated to weed out the time wasting
deluded haters like Eastman.
I am not going to waste much more time here with a dialog of this low
character.
_____
From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Ray Antoky
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 9:23 AM
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [911TruthAction] Jew Baiting
Eastman is the consummate disinformation artist who has the effrontery
to blame Jews and the mossad for 9/11. His smoking gun is the dancing
Israelis on the rooftop, a classic ploy by the perps to incriminate
Jews as patsies. Then he has the nerve to imply that no Jews died at
the WTC.
http://www.thejewishweek.com/bottom/specialcontent.php3?artid=365
Wrong again as the above article indicates.
And Jolly Roger is also wrong. While there may be Jewish people
involved in crime there are also other ethnic groups involved in crime.
Blaming a whole group of people for the crimes of a few is
disingenuous.It seems this group exists as a Jew bashing forum which is
not the implication of its title.
Maybe Eastman should start his own group. He will surely find kindred
spirits to succumb to his brand of lunacy.
Ray Antoky
Brooklyn and Jewish
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:59:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Judy Cunningham <drjudyforjustice@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: it has come to my attention that..............
Thank you. The Paperclip article was very informative!!! Judy
Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com> wrote: A link that I sent comes up page not found. This is a new ploy. PLEASE just go to www.conspiracyarchive.com and scroll about halfway down the page and you will find the article on project paperclip and the 767 nazi war criminal vermin that the Illuminati/cia rescued from life in prison and gave new lives to here inn the U.S.A.! EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM Working for the government!
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:19:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Judy Cunningham <drjudyforjustice@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: [planehuggers] WTC Planehugger Therapy -Top 30 FAQ
With my 14 years of college in science, I do not believe that an aluminum plane could go through 9 feet of concrete and rows of steel girders. The Northwoods document shows that the government was planning to disguise Airforce planes as civilian planes, and fake a hijacking. I believe that that is what happened to the towers. There are 3 methods in which a plane could go through the concrete and steel girders. (1) If the disguised airforce plane was made of depleted uranium ( a dangerous radioactive metal used widely in the Iraqi war. (2) If the plane had a pod on the bottom of it containing the CIA weapon that shoots molten copper ahead of it. It can shoot a large hole through 9 feet of concrete and steel. (3) I do not remember the exact description of the third weapon, but the U.S. govt. has it. Judy
Dick Eastman <olfriend@nwinfo.net> wrote: Interviews were not conducted to establish what hit the buildings.
No attempt has been made to contact all witnesses -- e.g. an ad in the New York Post or NYTs.
Finding a subset of witnesses who contradict each other tells nothing about what the majority of witnesses agree on etc. Events that we know for sure really happened can be made to look unlikely by a biased sampling of witnesses. All witnesses are needed -- and direct questioning on the issue of whether a crashbombing plane was seen must be clear in each case.
Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:20:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Judy Cunningham <drjudyforjustice@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: [planehuggers] WTC Planehugger Therapy -Top 30 FAQ
With my 14 years of college in science, I do not believe that an aluminum plane could go through 9 feet of concrete and rows of steel girders. The Northwoods document shows that the government was planning to disguise Airforce planes as civilian planes, and fake a hijacking. I believe that that is what happened to the towers. There are 3 methods in which a plane could go through the concrete and steel girders. (1) If the disguised airforce plane was made of depleted uranium ( a dangerous radioactive metal used widely in the Iraqi war. (2) If the plane had a pod on the bottom of it containing the CIA weapon that shoots molten copper ahead of it. It can shoot a large hole through 9 feet of concrete and steel. (3) I do not remember the exact description of the third weapon, but the U.S. govt. has it. Judy
Dick Eastman <olfriend@nwinfo.net> wrote: Interviews were not conducted to establish what hit the buildings.
No attempt has been made to contact all witnesses -- e.g. an ad in the New York Post or NYTs.
Finding a subset of witnesses who contradict each other tells nothing about what the majority of witnesses agree on etc. Events that we know for sure really happened can be made to look unlikely by a biased sampling of witnesses. All witnesses are needed -- and direct questioning on the issue of whether a crashbombing plane was seen must be clear in each case.
Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington
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WTC Planehugger Therapy
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:22:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Judy Cunningham <drjudyforjustice@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: [planehuggers] WTC Planehugger Therapy -Top 30 FAQ
With my 14 years of college in science, I do not believe that an aluminum plane could go through 9 feet of concrete and rows of steel girders. The Northwoods document shows that the government was planning to disguise Airforce planes as civilian planes, and fake a hijacking. I believe that that is what happened to the towers. There are 3 methods in which a plane could go through the concrete and steel girders. (1) If the disguised airforce plane was made of depleted uranium ( a dangerous radioactive metal used widely in the Iraqi war. (2) If the plane had a pod on the bottom of it containing the CIA weapon that shoots molten copper ahead of it. It can shoot a large hole through 9 feet of concrete and steel. (3) I do not remember the exact description of the third weapon, but the U.S. govt. has it. Judy
Dick Eastman <olfriend@nwinfo.net> wrote: Interviews were not conducted to establish what hit the buildings.
No attempt has been made to contact all witnesses -- e.g. an ad in the New York Post or NYTs.
Finding a subset of witnesses who contradict each other tells nothing about what the majority of witnesses agree on etc. Events that we know for sure really happened can be made to look unlikely by a biased sampling of witnesses. All witnesses are needed -- and direct questioning on the issue of whether a crashbombing plane was seen must be clear in each case.
Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington
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WTC Planehugger Therapy
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:26:49 -0400
From: ranger116@webtv.net
Subject: Do Mexicans have Permits For Protests of 50K to 500,000 ? Americans W
Do Mexicans have Permits For Protests of 50K to 500,000 ? Americans
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police overtime to provide security at the march !
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costs, bonds, probation fees, DUI schools, drug treatment fees,
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The Washington Inst. is a think tank established by AIPAC for the
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It is a key component of the Israel Lobby.
The comments about the US undertaking the attack instead of Israel
and Resident Bush's commitment to use the US military and expend US
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The last paragraph clearly refers to the neocons who have made
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Will they say this is a "war for oil," as well?
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at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy and who has been a
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it will have a nuclear-weapons program, at least clandestinely," Clawson
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:39:08 -0700
From: "Dick Eastman" <olfriend@nwinfo.net>
Subject: Re: Re: [planehuggers] WTC Planehugger Therapy -Top 30 FAQ
Hi, Judy.
I don't believe a jetliner could go through 9 feet of concrete either. Nor do I believe they could go through rows of steel girders either.
But are we talking about the same event.
The south tower crash involved on wall of a combination of glass and plate steel -- no girders. (The girders supportint the towers were in the core.) The plane that entered the office space was stopped when it hit the heavy core of the building.
Where the plane hit between floors it was pulverized (and stopped) and/or rerouted/deflected/diverted along the path of least resistance back, above or below the floor. The explosion included much of the pulverized material of the fuselage bouncing/pushed back. No one is claiming that the crashing plane ate up the concrete floor all the way to the core.
Do not believe the no-planers' straw man representation of what the "planehuggers" are saying.
What do you think would happen to a jetliner hitting a WTC tower while banked at 45 degrees?
Best wishes,
Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington
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With my 14 years of college in science, I do not believe that an aluminum plane could go through 9 feet of concrete and rows of steel girders. The Northwoods document shows that the government was planning to disguise Airforce planes as civilian planes, and fake a hijacking. I believe that that is what happened to the towers. There are 3 methods in which a plane could go through the concrete and steel girders. (1) If the disguised airforce plane was made of depleted uranium ( a dangerous radioactive metal used widely in the Iraqi war. (2) If the plane had a pod on the bottom of it containing the CIA weapon that shoots molten copper ahead of it. It can shoot a large hole through 9 feet of concrete and steel. (3) I do not remember the exact description of the third weapon, but the U.S. govt. has it. Judy
Dick Eastman <olfriend@nwinfo.net> wrote:
Interviews were not conducted to establish what hit the buildings.
No attempt has been made to contact all witnesses -- e.g. an ad in the New York Post or NYTs.
Finding a subset of witnesses who contradict each other tells nothing about what the majority of witnesses agree on etc. Events that we know for sure really happened can be made to look unlikely by a biased sampling of witnesses. All witnesses are needed -- and direct questioning on the issue of whether a crashbombing plane was seen must be clear in each case.
Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington
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Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 8:57 PM
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WTC Planehugger Therapy
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:48:26 -0700
From: "Dick Eastman" <olfriend@nwinfo.net>
Subject: Fw: Jew Baiting
From: Leslie Schwartz
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 3:55 PM
Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] Jew Baiting
Its not about Israel not even a little bit about Israel for those with the power to make things happen, Mossad just knew it was going to happen and was on hand to see it go down. They have wanted the US to get involved in policing the middle east for a long time, but that is not why the event happened.
Leslie Schwartz, yes I am Jewish and if don't like it you know what you can do about it.
Lets see Eastman prove just one if his hate based contentions, as you said below, prove to us Eastman that no one of Jewish ethnicity or decent was killed in the 9/11/01 attack. If you can prove that point Eastman then shut up and talk about what you can prove.
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Dear Leslie,
I am not in a position to prove that no one of Jewish ethnicity or decent was killed in 9/11/01 attack. The sampling of names I have seen (e.g. the long series on WTC deaths biographies that thre New York Times ran) showed very few Jewish names in my sampling -- not the high ratio of Jewish names I would expect for New York City and the hub of finance and world trade. I do take the word of several sources on the internet that only two Israelis died. But no proof that there were no Jews killed at WTC -- only indications that there were too few than one would expect.
Some of the greatest people in the world have been Jewish -- I have known great acts of mercy and generosity by Jews -- paying for an operation for my brother, simply because he wanted to. My favorite college professor -- my model of a good man -- is Jewish (Dr. Richard Glassman at LFC)
I often say "Jews" when the just discrimination would narrow that to Mossad, or Zionists, or Neo-cons, or Likudniks -- or even more justly I should have narrowed it to this or that individual --
so I am in the wrong -- but I am also mindful that I force Jews to ask themselves -- "is he right about me?" "am I allowing myself to be a part of or to go along with what Eastman is pointing out (Neo-con Zionist guilt for 9-11)
Here is a letter that will interest you:
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Hello, Al.
Do you think 9-11 was an inside job?
If so, do you think Zionist's in the White House, Pentagon, Israel
had anything to do with it?
Do you think their Zionism was a large part of their motivation?
I answer "yes" to all three questions and I have what I think
is ample proof of each point.
I never claimed to be sane or to know what sanity is -- but I
understand evidence and can reach the logical implications
that follow from sufficiently complete evidence.
Any time you want to discuss the message and what it is
based on, rather than the messenger -- I will be happy to
walk you through what I have found.
Here is a sample:
http://bedoper.com/eastman
I trust you are still the great investigator you were when we corresponded so long ago.
Maybe in better -- saner -- times we will compare notes again. I could only gain.
Warm regards,
Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washinton
P.S. as for the impotence of internet posting -- I am taken in by chaos theory
and that one-quintillion-to-one shot that I just may be the little butterfly who
could. flap flap flap flap flap flap flap flap flap ... --DE
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Subject: [A-C] Re: Joni Ferris nails self-important Jew hater Dick Eastman
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Yes, Joni, it does seem that Dick has become a rabid Jew-hater
over the past several years. It was not always so. I have observed
his posts over many months on anti-capitalism, as well as long ago
(5 years ago) on other lists. It seems that the stress of his life
(which has been considerable), combined with a latent inner
scapegoat-ism and perhaps xenophobia (characteristic of
right-wingers), has precipitated a psychic degeneration into
Paranoid Personality Disorder (see below) with a special
Jew-hating spin.
(Note that I say "Jew-hating" rather than "anti-semitic". The
bigtime anti-semitism in the world today is amongst the Zionists,
the "Christian" Zionists, and other muslim-haters. Jew-hating is a
special, narrow type of anti-semitism which ought to be
distinguished from its parent.)
It seems that Dick, like G L Rockwell (founder of the American
Nazi Party), has yielded to "the ageless impulse of men and women
eaten by the disease of hatred to find a political expression or
rationalization for their malady":
. http://www.salon.com/books/review/1999/07/19/simonelli/ ---
. "[Rockwell] drank too much, battled depression, was left by
. several wives, became estranged from his family and spun further
. and further out of control; you'll wince at the passages in which
. his goodhearted brother and William F. Buckley, whom Rockwell
. hounded, try to get him help. In the succinct summation from a
. 1967 volume that that Simonelli cites, Rockwell gave in to 'the
. ageless impulse of men and women eaten by the disease of hatred to
. find a political expression or rationalization for their malady.'"
I've watched this degeneration in several other people. Some of
them were quite acute thinkers and great writers, until their
deterioration set in. In some cases it is hard to account for it.
Though in Dick's case it is not so hard; he has been quite open
about the extreme stresses of his personal life. That, combined as
I say with a latent tendency, has added up to his current
relentless stream of semi-demented anti-Jewish ravings and
screechings. The anti-capitalism yahoo list has become a cesspool,
unfortunately -- and largely on his account. What we have here is
the anti-capitalism of Goebbels and Himmler, sputtering barely
coherently about Jewish bankers' conspiracies. (And yes, Jewish
bankers ARE an important aspect of this mess; just that their
badness does not inhere in their Jewishness.)
There was something in me, years ago (circa 2001), that flashed a
warning sign, and I removed Dick from my email list and generally
cut off communication. Somehow I sensed what was to come. And it
came! Oh, brother, did it come.
The paranoia was evident in years past. For example, if a message
of his was held up for a few hours, or just did not get through,
he would immediately conclude that it was because "they" were out
to get him, and were denying him access to the chat boards or
whatever. Of course, it IS possible that "they" (the
establishment) might shut down people who are saying things that
they do not like. Indeed it has actually happened, and I expect
that it will happen increasingly. But for someone with insight, it
is very unlikely that "they" would so selectively target a single
individual -- an individual with NO power, purchase or credibility
in the circles where it counts. In other words, you'd have to be a
tad nuts, or at least seriously lacking in insight, to think that
"they" would go out of their way to shut you down when you are
(pardon me) a pipsqueak ranter from Lower Bumfuck, Nebraska,
posting on a list with 323 pipsqueak members like you and me. Yes,
"they" exist -- and they don't give a good God Damn about
Yahoo-group yahoos like us. Sorry.
In charity, I will grant that the capitalist system generally does
tend to make people crazy. The stress, combined with the toxic
diet and outright environmental toxins, combined with the sense of
powerlessness (based on the REALITY of powerlessness), combined
with some personal bad breaks, can drive people nuts. Not hard to
understand.
And, perhaps Dick's personal degeneration was in some measure
fueled by the actual (inexcusable) behavior of radical Zionists,
Likudniks and the like, who persistently refuse to take
responsibility, and who deny their (very real and not just
incidental) role in the current mess. Witness the brouhaha just
the last week or two over the Mearsheimer/Walt piece. The Israel
lobby not only does not want to take any responsibility, it wants
to deny its own existence! THAT can drive people nuts, too.
Alan
PS: Note that Paranoid Personality Disorder (below) is NOT
paranoid psychosis, with loss of contact with reality. Personality
disorders are characterized by a somewhat tenuous grasp of reality
(shall we say: "creative" personal representations of it!) -- not
with a loss of contact with it. It is more of a personal
mind-style than a "disease"; see Hofstader's fine article:
The Paranoid Style in American Politics
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/anti-capitalism/message/18977
------------------------------------------------------------------
http://mentalhelp.net/disorders/sx37.htm
Paranoid Personality Disorder
A pervasive distrust and suspiciousness of others such that their
motives are interpreted as malevolent, beginning by early
adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by
four (or more) of the following:
1. suspects, without sufficient basis, that others are exploiting,
harming, or deceiving him or her
2. is preoccupied with unjustified doubts about the loyalty or
trustworthiness of friends or associates
3. is reluctant to confide in others because of unwarranted fear
that the information will be used maliciously against him or her
4. reads hidden demeaning or threatening meanings into benign
remarks or events
5. persistently bears grudges, i.e., is unforgiving of insults,
injuries, or slights
6. perceives attacks on his or her character or reputation that
are not apparent to others and is quick to react angrily or to
counterattack
7. has recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding
fidelity of spouse or sexual partner
-----------------
Criteria summarized from: American Psychiatric Association.
(1994). Diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders,
fourth edition. Washington, DC: American Psychiatric Association.
-------------------------
"From the standpoint of any sane person, the present problem of
capitalist concentration is not only a question of law, but of
criminal law, not to mention criminal lunacy." -- G K Chesterton
"You will know you have spoken the truth when you are angrily
denounced; and you will know you have spoken both truly and
well when you are visited by the police." -- J B R Yant
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 02:25:33 -0000
From: "catsears_2000" <catsears_2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Russo's 'America from Freedom to Fascism'
http://www.fromfreedomtofascism.com/index.html
New movie coming soon. I suppose the appearance of Ruppert therein
will make some here puke, but the trailer (see site above) was
actually pretty interesting. Don't know how/whether it treats 9-11 as
9-11 is not mentioned in the trailer.
-Scott Meredith
/AlasBabylon list owner
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:46:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: Jew Baiting
for the sake of clarity and stopping the creation of animosity,
PLEASE MAKE THAT DISTINCTION!!
Dick Eastman <olfriend@nwinfo.net> wrote:
v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } o\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } .shape { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } From: Leslie Schwartz
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 3:55 PM
Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] Jew Baiting
Its not about Israel not even a little bit about Israel for those with the power to make things happen, Mossad just knew it was going to happen and was on hand to see it go down. They have wanted the US to get involved in policing the middle east for a long time, but that is not why the event happened.
Leslie Schwartz, yes I am Jewish and if don�t like it you know what you can do about it.
Lets see Eastman prove just one if his hate based contentions, as you said below, prove to us Eastman that no one of Jewish ethnicity or decent was killed in the 9/11/01 attack. If you can prove that point Eastman then shut up and talk about what you can prove.
----
Dear Leslie,
I am not in a position to prove that no one of Jewish ethnicity or decent was killed in 9/11/01 attack. The sampling of names I have seen (e.g. the long series on WTC deaths biographies that thre New York Times ran) showed very few Jewish names in my sampling -- not the high ratio of Jewish names I would expect for New York City and the hub of finance and world trade. I do take the word of several sources on the internet that only two Israelis died. But no proof that there were no Jews killed at WTC -- only indications that there were too few than one would expect.
Some of the greatest people in the world have been Jewish -- I have known great acts of mercy and generosity by Jews -- paying for an operation for my brother, simply because he wanted to. My favorite college professor -- my model of a good man -- is Jewish (Dr. Richard Glassman at LFC)
I often say "Jews" when the just discrimination would narrow that to Mossad, or Zionists, or Neo-cons, or Likudniks -- or even more justly I should have narrowed it to this or that individual --
so I am in the wrong -- but I am also mindful that I force Jews to ask themselves -- "is he right about me?" "am I allowing myself to be a part of or to go along with what Eastman is pointing out (Neo-con Zionist guilt for 9-11)
Here is a letter that will interest you:
=================
Hello, Al.
Do you think 9-11 was an inside job?
If so, do you think Zionist's in the White House, Pentagon, Israel
had anything to do with it?
Do you think their Zionism was a large part of their motivation?
I answer "yes" to all three questions and I have what I think
is ample proof of each point.
I never claimed to be sane or to know what sanity is -- but I
understand evidence and can reach the logical implications
that follow from sufficiently complete evidence.
Any time you want to discuss the message and what it is
based on, rather than the messenger -- I will be happy to
walk you through what I have found.
Here is a sample:
http://bedoper.com/eastman
I trust you are still the great investigator you were when we corresponded so long ago.
Maybe in better -- saner -- times we will compare notes again. I could only gain.
Warm regards,
Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washinton
P.S. as for the impotence of internet posting -- I am taken in by chaos theory
and that one-quintillion-to-one shot that I just may be the little butterfly who
could. flap flap flap flap flap flap flap flap flap ... --DE
----- Original Message ----- From: <aelewis@provide.net>
To: <foo@foobar.com>; <anti-capitalism@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: <Conspiracy-Theory@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 1:48 PM
Subject: [A-C] Re: Joni Ferris nails self-important Jew hater Dick Eastman
...
Yes, Joni, it does seem that Dick has become a rabid Jew-hater
over the past several years. It was not always so. I have observed
his posts over many months on anti-capitalism, as well as long ago
(5 years ago) on other lists. It seems that the stress of his life
(which has been considerable), combined with a latent inner
scapegoat-ism and perhaps xenophobia (characteristic of
right-wingers), has precipitated a psychic degeneration into
Paranoid Personality Disorder (see below) with a special
Jew-hating spin.
(Note that I say "Jew-hating" rather than "anti-semitic". The
bigtime anti-semitism in the world today is amongst the Zionists,
the "Christian" Zionists, and other muslim-haters. Jew-hating is a
special, narrow type of anti-semitism which ought to be
distinguished from its parent.)
It seems that Dick, like G L Rockwell (founder of the American
Nazi Party), has yielded to "the ageless impulse of men and women
eaten by the disease of hatred to find a political expression or
rationalization for their malady":
. http://www.salon.com/books/review/1999/07/19/simonelli/ ---
. "[Rockwell] drank too much, battled depression, was left by
. several wives, became estranged from his family and spun further
. and further out of control; you'll wince at the passages in which
. his goodhearted brother and William F. Buckley, whom Rockwell
. hounded, try to get him help. In the succinct summation from a
. 1967 volume that that Simonelli cites, Rockwell gave in to 'the
. ageless impulse of men and women eaten by the disease of hatred to
. find a political expression or rationalization for their malady.'"
I've watched this degeneration in several other people. Some of
them were quite acute thinkers and great writers, until their
deterioration set in. In some cases it is hard to account for it.
Though in Dick's case it is not so hard; he has been quite open
about the extreme stresses of his personal life. That, combined as
I say with a latent tendency, has added up to his current
relentless stream of semi-demented anti-Jewish ravings and
screechings. The anti-capitalism yahoo list has become a cesspool,
unfortunately -- and largely on his account. What we have here is
the anti-capitalism of Goebbels and Himmler, sputtering barely
coherently about Jewish bankers' conspiracies. (And yes, Jewish
bankers ARE an important aspect of this mess; just that their
badness does not inhere in their Jewishness.)
There was something in me, years ago (circa 2001), that flashed a
warning sign, and I removed Dick from my email list and generally
cut off communication. Somehow I sensed what was to come. And it
came! Oh, brother, did it come.
The paranoia was evident in years past. For example, if a message
of his was held up for a few hours, or just did not get through,
he would immediately conclude that it was because "they" were out
to get him, and were denying him access to the chat boards or
whatever. Of course, it IS possible that "they" (the
establishment) might shut down people who are saying things that
they do not like. Indeed it has actually happened, and I expect
that it will happen increasingly. But for someone with insight, it
is very unlikely that "they" would so selectively target a single
individual -- an individual with NO power, purchase or credibility
in the circles where it counts. In other words, you'd have to be a
tad nuts, or at least seriously lacking in insight, to think that
"they" would go out of their way to shut you down when you are
(pardon me) a pipsqueak ranter from Lower Bumfuck, Nebraska,
posting on a list with 323 pipsqueak members like you and me. Yes,
"they" exist -- and they don't give a good God Damn about
Yahoo-group yahoos like us. Sorry.
In charity, I will grant that the capitalist system generally does
tend to make people crazy. The stress, combined with the toxic
diet and outright environmental toxins, combined with the sense of
powerlessness (based on the REALITY of powerlessness), combined
with some personal bad breaks, can drive people nuts. Not hard to
understand.
And, perhaps Dick's personal degeneration was in some measure
fueled by the actual (inexcusable) behavior of radical Zionists,
Likudniks and the like, who persistently refuse to take
responsibility, and who deny their (very real and not just
incidental) role in the current mess. Witness the brouhaha just
the last week or two over the Mearsheimer/Walt piece. The Israel
lobby not only does not want to take any responsibility, it wants
to deny its own existence! THAT can drive people nuts, too.
Alan
PS: Note that Paranoid Personality Disorder (below) is NOT
paranoid psychosis, with loss of contact with reality. Personality
disorders are characterized by a somewhat tenuous grasp of reality
(shall we say: "creative" personal representations of it!) -- not
with a loss of contact with it. It is more of a personal
mind-style than a "disease"; see Hofstader's fine article:
The Paranoid Style in American Politics
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/anti-capitalism/message/18977
------------------------------------------------------------------
http://mentalhelp.net/disorders/sx37.htm
Paranoid Personality Disorder
A pervasive distrust and suspiciousness of others such that their
motives are interpreted as malevolent, beginning by early
adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by
four (or more) of the following:
1. suspects, without sufficient basis, that others are exploiting,
harming, or deceiving him or her
2. is preoccupied with unjustified doubts about the loyalty or
trustworthiness of friends or associates
3. is reluctant to confide in others because of unwarranted fear
that the information will be used maliciously against him or her
4. reads hidden demeaning or threatening meanings into benign
remarks or events
5. persistently bears grudges, i.e., is unforgiving of insults,
injuries, or slights
6. perceives attacks on his or her character or reputation that
are not apparent to others and is quick to react angrily or to
counterattack
7. has recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding
fidelity of spouse or sexual partner
-----------------
Criteria summarized from: American Psychiatric Association.
(1994). Diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders,
fourth edition. Washington, DC: American Psychiatric Association.
-------------------------
"From the standpoint of any sane person, the present problem of
capitalist concentration is not only a question of law, but of
criminal law, not to mention criminal lunacy." -- G K Chesterton
"You will know you have spoken the truth when you are angrily
denounced; and you will know you have spoken both truly and
well when you are visited by the police." -- J B R Yant
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:51:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Naveed <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
Subject: Urgent Request! TO ANYONE OR EVERYONE!
Does anybody have any knowledge of upcoming drills for "terrorist" activity?
Considering the KOOKOOS in district of criminals (Washington DC) are having media whores trumpet using mini nukes on Iran, this is the most dangerous timing for another larger false flag.
Not endorsing the ACLU but
Eternal Vigilance is the the price of freedom........have you paid?
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 22:03:25 -0500
From: "Leslie Schwartz" <lhs_emf@pacbell.net>
Subject: RE: Fw: Jew Baiting
For anyone who actually cares about the truth to this continuing misinformation being promoted here again by Eastman, (Eastman:
essentially "my sampling - few Jews killed at the WTC 9/11/01") check out the following.
Here is a list of the names of those who died in the WTC. As a Jew, I know what names are likely Jewish and which are not. I am not
going to go thru all of them one by one and tell you which are which. If you have been around a bit you will know on your own.
Highlight the names to see the full name, very roughly at least 1/3 (conservatively) are Jewish.
http://www.9-11heroes.us/victims-world-trade-center.php
Here is another discussion of this issue, with more links and an analysis of the misinformation Eastman continues to spew. The
estimate here is between 400 - 500 people of Jewish decent died in the WTC towers on 9/11/01. There are a series of articles
debunking these lies via this link.
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=331277
Moreover this issue, the tragedy which 9/11 is and represents does not have a dam thing to do with who is Jewish and who is not or
how the events occurred or why they occurred again has nothing to do with Jews or Jewishness or Israel, or American Jews, or French
Jews, or German Jews, etc. As I told you before its about money and power. AGAIN, if you really want to have the background history
to understand this event read John Loftus, read Webster Tarpley. Educate yourself, don't be lazy, don't indulge in your prejudices.
Learn that lesson and it will take you a long way in life. That is the most important lesson anyone can take from this discussion.
Dick, if you really cared about the truth you would investigate the truth about it and stop the lies. Are you admitting now below to
laziness' rather than hatred? If that is your excuse, then ask yourself if that is the standard you really want to live by and use
as a guide for your efforts in this or any or important study when you communicate with others about the important issues they
should be aware of. You could not prove your assertion on this issue but yet you repeated it again. What conclusion are we to draw
from that I wonder?
Your statements have been shameful, stupid and most of all wrong. You ought to know that Jewish people like myself love this country
as much as you do and we fight and die for it and have done so throughout its history, and we devote ourselves to this country as
much as you obviously think you do.
But there is one big difference between all of us (who are rational and concerned) and you, as one of a group of haters who have
been writing in this caliber of trash to this message board. We don't call people names based on race or religion, we don't make up
stupid theories about history based on simpleton ideas and misinformation. We have learned the hard way not to keep hate in our
hearts and we have learned just how thoughtless and dangerous it is to go about life that way. We have seen the results and we don't
want to see them again, no matter who the victim might be next time. We take the time to learn and to understand and to be as
accurate and honest with ourselves and others as we can be and if we do not know the truth we research it honestly and keep our
mouths shut until we do know the truth, rather than go about repeatedly making baseless statements which prove our ignorance to
others.
Dick, take the time when you write and think about these topic to make distinctions that are truly meaningful and accurate and
constructive. When you do that we will all be grateful for your efforts.
Leslie
-----Original Message-----
From: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com [mailto:911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dick Eastman
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 8:48 PM
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [911TruthAction] Fw: Jew Baiting
From: Leslie Schwartz
To: 911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 3:55 PM
Subject: RE: [911TruthAction] Jew Baiting
Its not about Israel not even a little bit about Israel for those with the power to make things happen, Mossad just knew it was
going to happen and was on hand to see it go down. They have wanted the US to get involved in policing the middle east for a long
time, but that is not why the event happened.
Leslie Schwartz, yes I am Jewish and if don�t like it you know what you can do about it.
Lets see Eastman prove just one if his hate based contentions, as you said below, prove to us Eastman that no one of Jewish
ethnicity or decent was killed in the 9/11/01 attack. If you can prove that point Eastman then shut up and talk about what you can
prove.
----
Dear Leslie,
I am not in a position to prove that no one of Jewish ethnicity or decent was killed in 9/11/01 attack. The sampling of names I
have seen (e.g. the long series on WTC deaths biographies that thre New York Times ran) showed very few Jewish names in my
ampling -- not the high ratio of Jewish names I would expect for New York City and the hub of finance and world trade. I do take
the word of several sources on the internet that only two Israelis died. But no proof that there were no Jews killed at WTC -- only
indications that there were too few than one would expect.
Some of the greatest people in the world have been Jewish -- I have known great acts of mercy and generosity by Jews -- paying
for an operation for my brother, simply because he wanted to. My favorite college professor -- my model of a good man -- is Jewish
(Dr. Richard Glassman at LFC)
I often say "Jews" when the just discrimination would narrow that to Mossad, or Zionists, or Neo-cons, or Likudniks -- or even
more justly I should have narrowed it to this or that individual --
so I am in the wrong -- but I am also mindful that I force Jews to ask themselves -- "is he right about me?" "am I allowing
myself to be a part of or to go along with what Eastman is pointing out (Neo-con Zionist guilt for 9-11)
Here is a letter that will interest you:
=================
Hello, Al.
Do you think 9-11 was an inside job?
If so, do you think Zionist's in the White House, Pentagon, Israel
had anything to do with it?
Do you think their Zionism was a large part of their motivation?
I answer "yes" to all three questions and I have what I think
is ample proof of each point.
I never claimed to be sane or to know what sanity is -- but I
understand evidence and can reach the logical implications
that follow from sufficiently complete evidence.
Any time you want to discuss the message and what it is
based on, rather than the messenger -- I will be happy to
walk you through what I have found.
Here is a sample:
http://bedoper.com/eastman
I trust you are still the great investigator you were when we corresponded so long ago.
Maybe in better -- saner -- times we will compare notes again. I could only gain.
Warm regards,
Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washinton
P.S. as for the impotence of internet posting -- I am taken in by chaos theory
and that one-quintillion-to-one shot that I just may be the little butterfly who
could. flap flap flap flap flap flap flap flap flap ... --DE
----- Original Message -----
From: <aelewis@provide.net>
To: <foo@foobar.com>; <anti-capitalism@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: <Conspiracy-Theory@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 1:48 PM
Subject: [A-C] Re: Joni Ferris nails self-important Jew hater Dick Eastman
...
Yes, Joni, it does seem that Dick has become a rabid Jew-hater
over the past several years. It was not always so. I have observed
his posts over many months on anti-capitalism, as well as long ago
(5 years ago) on other lists. It seems that the stress of his life
(which has been considerable), combined with a latent inner
scapegoat-ism and perhaps xenophobia (characteristic of
right-wingers), has precipitated a psychic degeneration into
Paranoid Personality Disorder (see below) with a special
Jew-hating spin.
(Note that I say "Jew-hating" rather than "anti-semitic". The
bigtime anti-semitism in the world today is amongst the Zionists,
the "Christian" Zionists, and other muslim-haters. Jew-hating is a
special, narrow type of anti-semitism which ought to be
distinguished from its parent.)
It seems that Dick, like G L Rockwell (founder of the American
Nazi Party), has yielded to "the ageless impulse of men and women
eaten by the disease of hatred to find a political expression or
rationalization for their malady":
. http://www.salon.com/books/review/1999/07/19/simonelli/ ---
. "[Rockwell] drank too much, battled depression, was left by
. several wives, became estranged from his family and spun further
. and further out of control; you'll wince at the passages in which
. his goodhearted brother and William F. Buckley, whom Rockwell
. hounded, try to get him help. In the succinct summation from a
. 1967 volume that that Simonelli cites, Rockwell gave in to 'the
. ageless impulse of men and women eaten by the disease of hatred to
. find a political expression or rationalization for their malady.'"
I've watched this degeneration in several other people. Some of
them were quite acute thinkers and great writers, until their
deterioration set in. In some cases it is hard to account for it.
Though in Dick's case it is not so hard; he has been quite open
about the extreme stresses of his personal life. That, combined as
I say with a latent tendency, has added up to his current
relentless stream of semi-demented anti-Jewish ravings and
screechings. The anti-capitalism yahoo list has become a cesspool,
unfortunately -- and largely on his account. What we have here is
the anti-capitalism of Goebbels and Himmler, sputtering barely
coherently about Jewish bankers' conspiracies. (And yes, Jewish
bankers ARE an important aspect of this mess; just that their
badness does not inhere in their Jewishness.)
There was something in me, years ago (circa 2001), that flashed a
warning sign, and I removed Dick from my email list and generally
cut off communication. Somehow I sensed what was to come. And it
came! Oh, brother, did it come.
The paranoia was evident in years past. For example, if a message
of his was held up for a few hours, or just did not get through,
he would immediately conclude that it was because "they" were out
to get him, and were denying him access to the chat boards or
whatever. Of course, it IS possible that "they" (the
establishment) might shut down people who are saying things that
they do not like. Indeed it has actually happened, and I expect
that it will happen increasingly. But for someone with insight, it
is very unlikely that "they" would so selectively target a single
individual -- an individual with NO power, purchase or credibility
in the circles where it counts. In other words, you'd have to be a
tad nuts, or at least seriously lacking in insight, to think that
"they" would go out of their way to shut you down when you are
(pardon me) a pipsqueak ranter from Lower Bumfuck, Nebraska,
posting on a list with 323 pipsqueak members like you and me. Yes,
"they" exist -- and they don't give a good God Damn about
Yahoo-group yahoos like us. Sorry.
In charity, I will grant that the capitalist system generally does
tend to make people crazy. The stress, combined with the toxic
diet and outright environmental toxins, combined with the sense of
powerlessness (based on the REALITY of powerlessness), combined
with some personal bad breaks, can drive people nuts. Not hard to
understand.
And, perhaps Dick's personal degeneration was in some measure
fueled by the actual (inexcusable) behavior of radical Zionists,
Likudniks and the like, who persistently refuse to take
responsibility, and who deny their (very real and not just
incidental) role in the current mess. Witness the brouhaha just
the last week or two over the Mearsheimer/Walt piece. The Israel
lobby not only does not want to take any responsibility, it wants
to deny its own existence! THAT can drive people nuts, too.
Alan
PS: Note that Paranoid Personality Disorder (below) is NOT
paranoid psychosis, with loss of contact with reality. Personality
disorders are characterized by a somewhat tenuous grasp of reality
(shall we say: "creative" personal representations of it!) -- not
with a loss of contact with it. It is more of a personal
mind-style than a "disease"; see Hofstader's fine article:
The Paranoid Style in American Politics
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http://mentalhelp.net/disorders/sx37.htm
Paranoid Personality Disorder
A pervasive distrust and suspiciousness of others such that their
motives are interpreted as malevolent, beginning by early
adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by
four (or more) of the following:
1. suspects, without sufficient basis, that others are exploiting,
harming, or deceiving him or her
2. is preoccupied with unjustified doubts about the loyalty or
trustworthiness of friends or associates
3. is reluctant to confide in others because of unwarranted fear
that the information will be used maliciously against him or her
4. reads hidden demeaning or threatening meanings into benign
remarks or events
5. persistently bears grudges, i.e., is unforgiving of insults,
injuries, or slights
6. perceives attacks on his or her character or reputation that
are not apparent to others and is quick to react angrily or to
counterattack
7. has recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding
fidelity of spouse or sexual partner
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Criteria summarized from: American Psychiatric Association.
(1994). Diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders,
fourth edition. Washington, DC: American Psychiatric Association.
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capitalist concentration is not only a question of law, but of
criminal law, not to mention criminal lunacy." -- G K Chesterton
"You will know you have spoken the truth when you are angrily
denounced; and you will know you have spoken both truly and
well when you are visited by the police." -- J B R Yant
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:30:55 -0400
From: "kitty285" <kitty285@charter.net>
Subject: Re: The Big Picture
LOL OK Jolly Rodger !!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jolly Roger" <slicingthroats@yahoo.com>
To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] The Big Picture
> Sorry, Kitty. I realized that later. I think I was a bit too quick to
respond (inappropriately) after fighting off a series of attacks. Please
forgive me.
>
> kitty285 <kitty285@charter.net> wrote: Oh no not me Jolly Roger,i thought
nothing of that at all,hope you are
> talking to someone else..Kitty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Hammond" <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com>
> To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 1:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] The Big Picture
>
>
> > Jolly is absolutely correct in his assertion that a lot of the people
that
> funded hitler wer zionists. the warburgs, schiffs, rothschilds morgans
> stanleys, prescott bush, the harrimans, the browns and the rockefellers
are
> the families that made hitlers rise to power all possible. just to name a
> few. but the vatican was involved as well.
> >
> > Jolly Roger <slicingthroats@yahoo.com> wrote: Yes -- Let's think
about
> Hitler -- It was Zionists who supported and funded him, insisted on the
> ghettos, and Jews wearing yellow stars of David. Zionists are behind most
of
> the persecution Jews have suffered as part of their goal to drive all Jews
> to Israel. I clearly illustrated the division between Jews and Zionists,
and
> there's still no end to the people who would consider it anti-semetic
> observe these things. This is most ridiculous because this is exactly the
> information people need to have to prevent persecution of Jews in the
> future, and anti-semitism now. I try to educate people rather than fool
> them, but what's very suspicious is your instant reaction of associating
me
> with Hitler simply because I wrote something critical of Zionism.
> >
> >
> >
> > kitty285 <kitty285@charter.net> wrote:
> > I keep thinking of Hitler,it's the same thing,was he one of the new
> > thinking,i believe this whole thing goes way back,i mean way back,i may
> > sound the fool,but i think not...Kitty
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Naveed" <flanker12k@yahoo.com>
> > To: <911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 11:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: [911TruthAction] The Big Picture
> >
> >
> > > i'd have to agree with mr. Hammond, some people think the freemasons
did
> > it, zionists, big oil, and etc.....these are elements contributing to
the
> > overall picture. to effectively place the blame on a single group has
the
> > tendency to create a tunnel vision which shuts out many other legitimate
> > perspectives. Only thing i'm going to block is the "alien" perpective.
> Evil
> > men in powerful positions are in the process of consolidating their
power,
> > for the sake of furthering their power.
> > >
> > > Kevin Hammond <sir_oglaigh@yahoo.com> wrote: I agree. The Zionist
> > element is just that AM ELEMENT. There is a much bigger picture here.
> But
> > this is where I have to disagree with you as well Greg. There is a
whole
> > lot more to this than just a few greedy slimy businessmen.
> > >
> > > greg nixon <nxngrg@yahoo.com> wrote: Sorry to say Jolly, but you
are
> > losing your way IMHO. The alleged zionist conspiracy being at the bottom
> of
> > it all is ridiculously simplistic. Yes there is some element of Israeli
> > interest at play on the world's stage, but to say 9/11 was a jewish plot
> is
> > not correct. Most of the evil unfolding before us, 9/11 included, is the
> > result of calculating businessmen. The private miltitary contractors,
oil,
> > and finance are the big players. All this 'dem Joos did it' at Truth
> Action
> > is really bringing down the intent and quality of the alleged activist
> > forum.
> > >
> > > Greg Nixon
> > >
> > >
> > > Jolly Roger <removingheads@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > At least twice each week I read the rant of another angry American
> who
> > invariably declares that Bush is an idiot, but if they're just figuring
> that
> > out now, they're throwing stones from a glass house. Of course he's an
> > idiot. They needed an idiot. If the man displayed any signs of
> intelligence,
> > evil actions couldn't be repeatedly passed off as "failures" or
> "bungling."
> > If the president were intelligent and scholarly, people would question
why
> > he's completely incompetent, but because he's an obvious buffoon, many
> > people accept that as the reason everything's going horribly wrong. It's
> > also a lot less distressing to believe that your government is
incompetent
> > rather than know that they're evil, and most people will cling to that
> > comfort. The real problem is that if people blame Bush's idiocy for our
> > troubles, they probably also think that the solution would be to get him
> out
> > of office, but if they think we'll be saved by "Hillary in '08," or any
> > other politician, they're
> > > even slower than Bush.
> > > Regardless of who's occupying the White House, there has never been
an
> > idiot running this country. There's simply too much power and money at
> stake
> > for an idiot to gain control of it. If the president is an idiot, and
> there
> > doesn't seem to be too much debate on that issue concerning Dubya, he's
> only
> > in the White House because someone else has firm control over him.
Someone
> > somewhere is flipping through the Bush-Gannon photo album, and that
person
> > has a lot more control over the fate of this nation than our "president"
> > does.
> > > Of course this reasoning begs the question "if this country isn't
> being
> > run by an idiot, why is everything going so horribly wrong?" The answer
is
> > that it's going wrong by design. The naive questioner makes the
erroneous
> > assumption that this country is being run by people who are acting in
the
> > interest of Americans, but nothing can be further from the truth.
Instead
> of
> > accusing Bush of doing a lousy job, or being a lousy president, please
try
> > to think in terms of Bush's "boss" being someone other than the American
> > people, and his "job" as being to grab as much cash as he can for
himself
> > and his friends before driving this country into the ground. If you look
> at
> > his presidency in that light, you can instantly see that he's doing a
> > marvelous job, and he's the best "president" an enemy nation could ever
> hope
> > to see in the White House.
> > > The fact of the matter is that America as we know it (or knew it) is
> > being systematically destroyed, and the politicians from both political
> > parties are making this possible. Freedom and justice are fading
memories,
> > the U.S. Constitution is "just a goddamn piece of paper," and the
election
> > process has been undermined. The jobs have been shipped overseas, the
> > economy is hopeless, the environment is being raped, the Army is
"broken,"
> > the infrastructure is crumbling, our borders are being dissolved, and
> every
> > dollar or gold nugget that was subject to being looted, is already gone.
> > With the entire nation and its population deep in debt, crashing the
> economy
> > is a simple matter of raising interest rates, which will allow the
bankers
> > to once again scoop up all mortgaged property, and force its inhabitants
> out
> > into the street.
> > > The next logical question one would ask is "who is running this
> country
> > that would intentionally inflict such horrors upon it, and how do they
> > benefit from destroying a country they control?"
> > > To answer the "who is running this country?" part of the question,
ask
> > yourself why no politician can get elected in this country unless he
shows
> > undying financial, political, and military support for Israel. Whose
> enemies
> > are American soldiers fighting in the middle east? Why did Ariel Sharon
> say
> > "Israel rules America, and the Americans know it?" Don't you think it's
a
> > bit strange that an American president said "I'd die for Israel," after
> > dodging the draft when America was at war? The Israelis are in firm
> control
> > of most American politicians, and AIPAC insures that any politician who
> > doesn't support Israel, is not re-elected.
> > > The answer to the next part of the question (how do they benefit by
> > destroying a country they control?") is that controlling America is only
a
> > stepping stone toward ruling the world. Ruling the world will not be
> > possible without first destroying America, because America intact would
> > present insurmountable opposition to any nation that had such lofty
goals.
> > Another more obvious motive is unimaginable profit. Causing the economy
to
> > crash right now will cause the biggest transfer of wealth in the
planet's
> > history. Rothschild banks, like the U.S. Federal Reserve, have
instigated
> > this horror many times in the past, most recently in 1929, when they
made
> a
> > killing by triggering the great depression.
> > > If you're still following this madness, you've noticed I'm
suggesting
> > that Israel is using its control of American politicians toward the
> > destruction of America, to rid itself of opposition in its quest to rule
> the
> > world. Admittedly, this line of reasoning might sound a little
> far-fetched,
> > but it happens to be strongly supported by documentation, historic
> > precedent, and much of what's happening today.
> > > Either way, the next questions that arise on the road to making
sense
> of
> > this are; "If Israel rules America, who rules Israel?" And "Why would I
> > think they want to rule the world?" To begin addressing part one, Israel
> was
> > created by Zionists, and has always been ruled by them. Zionism is a
> > political movement that seeks to return Jews to the holy land, and
> although
> > this goal seems innocent enough, their means of achieving it have killed
> > millions, and their hidden agenda is nothing short of horrifying.
Although
> > most of the world recognizes Israel as a "Jewish state," what most
people
> > don't know is that in Israel, there is widespread discrimination against
> > many Jews, and this discrimination is carried out, oddly enough, by
other
> > Jews, namely the above-mentioned Zionist Jews.
> > > Obviously, we are now talking about a division in the group of
people
> > the gentile world refers to as "Jews," but to understand this division,
we
> > need to know something of their history. On one side of the division are
> > Sephardic Jews, who are the descendants of the twelve tribes cast out of
> the
> > holy land as per the story most people are familiar with, and on the
other
> > side of that division are the Ashkenazi Jews, who are of a different
> origin.
> > Ashkenazi Jews are the descendants of the Kazars, who occupied what is
> known
> > today as Kazakastan. The Kazars were a very war-like people who became a
> > very powerful nation, and their king decided out of political
convenience
> > that his pagan population would suddenly become Jewish. Rabbis and
> teachers
> > were imported, and the national conversion began in about 740 A.D. Seven
> > hundred years later, they would be driven into eastern Europe by the
> > Mongols.
> > > Jewish law, as written in the Torah, prescribes that Jews are to
> remain
> > in exile until their messiah returns to lead them back to the holy land,
> but
> > it appears that the Zionists, who began as a small faction of Ashkenazi
> > Jews, seem to be motivated by a quest to return to the holy land without
> > divine guidance, and then name their own messiah rather than waiting
> around
> > for one.
> > > To some this would seem like a mere difference of opinion, and the
> many
> > varieties of Christianity that are practiced in the United States
> > demonstrate how any religious scripture might be interpreted differently
> by
> > different sects, but twisting Jewish scripture in this direction makes
it
> > very convenient for any group of people who did seek to rule the world.
> > Also, the sheer volume of bloodshed and horror unleashed upon the world
by
> > Zionism makes it necessary to look into this sect a bit more closely.
When
> > we do, we discover that this one small group of people has been
> responsible
> > for most of the world's problems over the last century, and have
> unspeakable
> > horrors planned for our future.
> > > It's important to note here that I am definitely not suggesting that
> > Jews are the cause of any problems, but instead I'm talking about a
> ruthless
> > criminal sub-culture that hides among the Jews, and is also directly
> > responsible for most of the persecution Jews have suffered. This ball of
> > confusion started spinning for me after I saw a photograph showing a
group
> > of orthodox Jews burning a flag at a demonstration in New York. If they
> were
> > burning any other flag I may not have noticed, but these Jews were
burning
> > the flag of Israel.
> > > To answer part two of the question (Why would I think they want to
> rule
> > the world?), we have the fact that it's been their stated goal for
> > centuries, and the last few years have saw them making huge strides in
> that
> > direction. There's also the disturbing truth that for all practical
> > purposes, they already do rule the world.
> > > If this information seems completely absurd to you, it's because
> > Zionists control every major newspaper, TV station, publishing company,
> and
> > movie studio in America, which has basically given them a good grasp on
> your
> > mind. They control the White House, the Pentagon, Congress and our
> > Judiciary, as well as our supplies of water and food. To help expand
their
> > influence when America was young, Zionists also founded many of the
> Masonic
> > lodges, the "illuminati," and they're also responsible for the spooky
> > pyramid on the back of your dollar bill proclaiming the "New World
Order."
> > That's because the privately owned bank known as the U.S. Federal
Reserve,
> > is owned by Zionists.
> > > The economy will crash, the poor will starve, and the dissenters
will
> be
> > jailed. Violence will erupt, and the U.N. troops will arrive to
"protect"
> > us. From that point on we will live as slaves under martial law, and
like
> > any other beast of burden, we'll be allowed to survive if they need us
to
> do
> > their work for them, but we'll certainly have no reason to live.
> > > This quest to rule the world, whether it be called "The New World
> > Order," or "One World Government," or if it's sold with any other
> > catch-phrase, has little to do with religion other than that its
> > orchestrators are using the scriptures as a tool for carrying out their
> > plans for global domination. They have always used religion as a tool
for
> > controlling the masses in the past, and it's serving their purposes
quite
> > nicely today. The script, or scripture, was written long ago, and much
of
> > the world's population can be counted upon to play one part or another.
> The
> > scariest part of this is that some Jewish scriptures, known as the
Talmud,
> > the Zohar, and the Kabbalah are very racist in nature, and in some cases
> > dictate the bloody demise of all gentiles. These scriptures will most
> likely
> > be used to justify merciless depopulation efforts.
> > > Just as Russia and Germany were destroyed by Zionism in the previous
> > world wars, America will soon fall victim to even worse treachery,
because
> > we're the last hurdle to jump on the track to global domination. The
9-11
> > deception, which the Israelis also had a hand in, was only a symptom of
a
> > much larger disease known as Zionism, and America is in the final stages
> of
> > infection. We all need to get the big picture if we want to find a cure.
> > America has no hope of surviving as anything other than Israel's slave
> state
> > unless a massive education project is embarked upon immediately. I thank
> you
> > for reading this, and thank you in advance for passing it on. - Jolly
> Roger
> > >
> > > "History is a collection of lies that are no longer being
disputed" -
> > Napoleon Bonaparte
> > >
> > > There's plenty of information on Zionism available at
> > http://iamthewitness.com/ Download the interviews while you still can.
> > Educate yourself and your neighbors today, and for God's sake, arm
> yourself.
> > America will prevail, but it won't be easy.
> > >
> > >
> > > Anything written by Jolly Roger is the property of the American
> people,
> > and the author hereby grants permission to anyone who so desires to
post,
> > print, copy, or distribute this letter in its entirety, and in fact, the
> > author encourages you to do so. - J.R.
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:30:58 -0400
From: "Edward Pickersgill" <edward@mytown.ca>
Subject: [Antinoro] Using the Power of the Boycott
Norla Antinoro
IN A NUTSHELL
Grapes, Buses and Buying Blue
Using the Power of the Boycott
10 April 2006
"The consumer boycott is the only open door in the dark corridor of nothingness down which farm workers have had to walk for many years. It is a gate of hope through which they expect to find the sunlight of a better life for themselves and their families." (Cesar Chavez)
There is a tool for social change that we use far too seldom. It has the power to bring corporations and governments to heel. The tool is boycott.
The very mention of the word in a corporate setting is enough to bring passions to the fore. In the halls of Corporate America, low key is the watch word. Nothing exciting. No loud voices, loud colors, or music to stir the soul. All must be calm and organized. But it doesn't take long to break that calm white-collar atmosphere into chaos when boycott is mentioned.
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:44:30 -0400
From: ranger116@webtv.net
Subject: TimeToTell-"Joint Chiefs of Staff" Remove Bush/Cheney Now BeforeWW II
TimeToTell-"Joint Chiefs of Staff" Remove Bush/Cheney Now BeforeWW III
Forward this to everyone and tell the U.S. Military Joint Chiefs of
Staff (below) that you back their Removing Bush, Cheney Rumsfeld, Rice
etc. from power immediately before they start WW III With Russia and
China involved exchanging nuclear warhead missiles with the USA !
Do it now -- This Is Not A Drill !!
U.S. Military Joint Chiefs of Staff
JCS Comment Form
Address:http://jcs.mil/jcs_comment.html
The Bush / Cheney Impeachment, Treason and War Crime trials can be done
later, But this must be done Now !
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 22:02:26 -0700
From: "Scott Peden" <scotpeden@cruzio.com>
Subject: RE: TimeToTell-"Joint Chiefs of Staff" Remove Bush/Cheney Now BeforeWWII
What are the next 3 Neo Con's in line for the presidency should we get rid
of George and his Dick? Or after last week, I should say his Richard?
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911TruthAction@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [911TruthAction] TimeToTell-"Joint Chiefs of Staff" Remove
Bush/Cheney Now BeforeWWII
TimeToTell-"Joint Chiefs of Staff" Remove Bush/Cheney Now BeforeWW III
Forward this to everyone and tell the U.S. Military Joint Chiefs of
Staff (below) that you back their Removing Bush, Cheney Rumsfeld, Rice
etc. from power immediately before they start WW III With Russia and
China involved exchanging nuclear warhead missiles with the USA !
Do it now -- This Is Not A Drill !!
U.S. Military Joint Chiefs of Staff
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Address: http://jcs.mil/jcs_comment.html
The Bush / Cheney Impeachment, Treason and War Crime trials can be done
later, But this must be done Now !
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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 01:24:52 EDT
From: NoRedCoats@aol.com
Subject: Re: Do Mexicans have Permits For Protests of 50K to 500,000 ...
Now, now, there you go talking about immigrants being treated better than
Americans and it's all their fault your are treated poorly. These immigrants for
the most part work hard and have been referred to as "the sleeping giant."
Rather than just sleeping, I think the giant was too busy WORKING and now is
threatened by some up tight, anal retentive people who actually suffer from an
inferiority complex. So, they write legislation that would go after the hard
working and poor immigrants punishing them and tearing apart their families,
friends, wives, etc. Let me ask you the reader, how many Europeans ever
got or applied for some kind of Visa or Passport from Native Americans.
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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:02:26 -0700
From: APFN <apfn@apfn.org>
Subject: RE: EXPOSED: The Carlyle Group 9/11, IRAQ WAR Insiders!
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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:53:54 -0500
From: "President, USA Exile Govt." <prez@usa-exile.org>
Subject: Latest from Nico
Dear 9/11 Friends and Colleagues,
Here's the latest from Nico's ongoing 9/11 research.
Regards,
Pondo
From: Nico Haupt <nicohaupt2@yahoo.com>
Date: April 10, 2006 7:36:32 PM EST
To: "President, USA Exile Govt." <prez@usa-exile.org>
Subject: Re: hey prez :)
http://www.911closeup.com/nico/FAQ_planehuggers.html
WTC Planehugger Therapy -Top 30 FAQ
By Nico Haupt
April 7, 2006
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NEW 04/01 9/11: 16 CGIs which fooled the world
http://www.911closeup.com/nico/CGI/CGI_aprilfools.html
NEW 03/30Camera for only live footage identified as military system
http://www.911closeup.com/nico/WABC_cam_identification.html
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